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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Verdana>The state's rights v. federal rights is an issue
that has been argued without resolution for over two centuries. There is
little I could add to either side.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Verdana>However, one big argument against granting
states more power is the current and recent Idaho legislature and
Governor. Ignorance and arrogance rule, not thoughtful fact finding,
evaluation of values and consequences, and thoughtful, objective
consideration.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Verdana>I don't think everything any level of government
does is always correct, sometimes it is horribly wrong. A lot is done for
the wrong reasons, especially when driven by favoritism, extreme
idealism, and/or over consideration for moneyed interests.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Verdana>Having been employed by local governments
under different leaders and having made some careful investigations as a
citizen, I can attest that favoritism, stupidity, hubris, conflicts of interest,
and ignorance exist in all levels of government. I used to think that
local politicians were more honest than national ones. I no longer believe
that. I think we are very fortunate to have Tom Trail and Shirley Ringo,
but their level of integrity is a rarity, e.g., consider Walter Steed, Phil
Hart, John McGee, etc.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Verdana>In addition, because of the rise in citizen
me-orientation, dishonesty is no longer considered a fault, especially if the
majority of influence makers profit by it, and they convince others that they
are better off.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Verdana>Ron Paul vetoing everything that in his opinion
is unconstitutional would make the present Washington gridlock look like a
freeway. We are facing enormous, very difficult problems. We
need thoughtful consensus builders, not crackpot idealism driven
barricaders. Paul doesn't seem to understand that the global scene is full
of dog eat dog predators which must be understood and dealt with in our national
interests.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Verdana>Here are two other problems:
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Verdana>1. Despite the availability of information,
citizen knowledge of and participation in governmental issues/affairs is not
high enough to ensure that those in government do their jobs in a thoughtful,
objective manner. This takes time and effort in a complex world. It
is easier to watch TV or do other less demanding activities.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Verdana>2. A lot of what is claimed to be knowledge
upon which governmental and other decisions are based is speculative or
downright wrong. For example, there is no consensus among
economists over what will be the likely consequences of various economic
policies. Further, some idealistic economists cling to theories that have
been shown to be inconsistent with reality -- "trickle down" theories or
various tax break theories, for example.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Verdana>The lack of reliable knowledge is not a reason to
take any simple, attractive crackpot theory and run with it. This lack
calls for more research and careful knowledge building of the way things
actually work. It also calls for not being guided by polls taken among
those that have inadequate knowledge of the probabilities and
issues.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Verdana>w.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A
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<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Friday, December 30, 2011 9:47 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A
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<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Fw: Mr. Paul’s Discredited
Campaign</DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><BR>If he does what I think he'll do if he gets into office,
he'll veto anything that he finds to be unconstitutional. This will, at
the very least, help stop abuses like the Patriot Act and increases in funding
for DHS. Even if Congress can come up with enough votes to override the
veto, issues like this will suddenly be at the forefront of the "national
conversation" about what's going on in government. For this alone, I'd
like to see him get in there.<BR><BR>Paul<BR><BR>On 12/30/2011 09:29 AM, Art
Deco wrote:
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<DIV><FONT face=Verdana>I agree with Rumelhart to the extent that things in
this country [and globally] are broken beyond the traditional
politicians' ways of repairing them. We need bold, realistic,
non-poll-driven leaders who can convince us to re-evaluate our situation,
offer feasible solutions, and to convince us to make the inevitable selfless
sacrifices necessary.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Verdana>Though not traditional, I do not think Ron Paul is one
of those leaders.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Verdana>His view of the world and his positions are too
simplistic for the complex, diverse, globally competitive world we
live in. The latest revelations have shown that his integrity does
not rise above the minimum standard. The simplicity of his views are his
main attraction to many, but reality is the barricade to his views ever
producing workable solutions -- they would be even more disastrous than the
messes we now face.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Verdana>In addition, some of his views are so abhorrent and/or
crackpotty that he would not be likely to convince congress to implement them
in the face of public opinion.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Verdana>Having said that, I am unable to suggest any leader or
group of leaders that seem capable of fixing things. The best I can hope
for is that we elect the lesser of the evils, at least by a little, to
struggle on.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Verdana>I'm glad I'm old and not likely to live too much
longer. I don't not want to see the result of where the world is heading
and the foolishness of those in power resisting what needs to be done to
change that direction.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Verdana>w.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><B>From:</B> <A
title="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com
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<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Friday, December 30, 2011 7:54 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A
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<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Fw: Mr. Paul’s Discredited
Campaign</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr>Why doesn't the NYT address Paul's stances on foreign policy? On
defense spending?<BR><BR>Sunil<BR><BR>
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Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 20:38:24 -0800<BR>From: <A
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Fw: Mr. Paul’s Discredited Campaign<BR><BR>
<META name=Generator content="Microsoft SafeHTML"><BR>I'm beginning to believe
that Ron Paul is our only hope to stop the downslope this country is on.
For example, the Transportation Security Administration just got an extra
$7.85 billion in funding for 2012, including several hundred million dollars
of funding for whole body imagers. This passed both the House and the
Senate. Does anyone here actually believe that terrorism is a personally
actionable danger? Do you change your behavior at all due to the
threat? Do you think all the security theater is worth the
money?<BR><BR>Ron Paul is about the only guy out there that votes against this
kind of crap. Pretty much everybody else, (R) or (D), votes it in.
All they seem to argue about is who is getting the pork.<BR><BR>As I see it,
your choices are 1) the same old shit, but next year having slipped even
farther away from rationality or 2) this one bat-shit crazy dude that might
actually try to do something about it.<BR><BR>One thing I've noticed this year
is that Ron Paul is actually getting press. There was a massive
grassroots campaign for him the last couple of elections, but nobody in the
media would take him seriously as an actual candidate.<BR><BR>The fact that
they have started the smear campaign means that there is actually a chance of
getting him in office.<BR><BR>My advice? Don't vote for the person that
looks like the most responsible Dad, or the guy that looks like he's someone
you could have a beer with, or the one that looks like a he's a successful
lawyer. All of those guys are going to perpetuate the power grab that
has been going on for the last few decades.<BR><BR>Vote for the dude that puts
the fear of God into the others. Vote for the one that will work to
decrease their power, not the others that only want to increase it for
personal gain.<BR><BR>Sure, he's a bag of mixed nuts sometimes. But he's
the only one with half a chance to shake things up a bit.<BR><BR>This should
be a fun election year.<BR><BR>Paul<BR><BR>On 12/28/2011 11:35 AM, Art Deco
wrote:
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<H1>Mr. Paul’s Discredited Campaign</H1></FONT>
<DIV id=ecxarticleBody><FONT size=2 face=Verdana>Ron Paul long ago
disqualified himself for the presidency by peddling claptrap proposals like
abolishing the Federal Reserve, returning to the gold standard, cutting a
third of the federal budget and all foreign aid and opposing the Civil
Rights Act of 1964. </FONT><BR><FONT size=2 face=Verdana>Now, making things
worse, he has failed to convincingly repudiate racist remarks that were
published under his name for years — or the enthusiastic support he is
getting from racist groups. </FONT><BR><FONT size=2 face=Verdana>Mr. Paul, a
Republican congressman from Texas who is doing particularly well in Iowa’s
precaucus polls, published several newsletters in the ’80s and ’90s with
names like the Ron Paul Survival Report and the Ron Paul Political Report.
The newsletters interspersed libertarian political and investment commentary
with racial bigotry, anti-Semitism and far-right paranoia. </FONT><BR><FONT
size=2 face=Verdana>Among other offensive statements, the newsletters said
that <A title="McClatchey report"
href="http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2011/12/22/v-print/133898/paul-walks-out-of-interview-over.html"
target=_blank moz-do-not-send="true">95 percent of Washington’s black males
were criminals</A>, and they described the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.’s
birthday as “Hate Whitey Day.” One <A
title="PDF
of a newsletter"
href="http://www.tnr.com/sites/default/files/January1993.pdf" target=_blank
moz-do-not-send="true">1993 article</A> appeared under a headline lamenting
the country’s “disappearing white majority.” Other articles suggested that
the Mossad, the Israeli intelligence service, was responsible for the 1993
World Trade Center bombing, praised the Louisiana racist David Duke and
accused some gay men with AIDS of <A
title="NYT
report"
href="http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/26/us/politics/ron-paul-disowns-extremists-views-but-doesnt-disavow-the-support.html?ref=politics&pagewanted=all"
target=_blank moz-do-not-send="true">deliberately spreading the disease</A>,
“perhaps out of a pathological hatred.” </FONT><BR><FONT size=2
face=Verdana>A <A title="Reuters report"
href="http://mobile.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSTRE7BM03320111223"
target=_blank moz-do-not-send="true">direct-mail ad</A> for the newsletters
from around 1993 warned of a “coming race war in our big cities” and said
there was a “federal-homosexual cover-up” to suppress the impact of AIDS.
</FONT><BR><FONT size=2 face=Verdana>Mr. Paul, who, beginning in 2008, has
disavowed the articles and their ideas, now says that most of them were
written by others and that he was unaware of their content. Even if that
were the case, it suggests a stupendous level of negligence that should
force a reconsideration by anyone considering entrusting him with the White
House. </FONT><BR><FONT size=2 face=Verdana>When the newsletters first
became an issue during his Congressional campaigns in the 1990s, however, <A
title="Slate
report"
href="http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2011/12/26/fifteen_years_ago_ron_paul_wasn_t_claiming_somebody_else_wrote_his_newsletters.html"
target=_blank moz-do-not-send="true">he did not deny writing some of
them</A> or knowing about them. </FONT><BR><FONT size=2 face=Verdana>Mr.
Paul has never given a full and detailed accounting of who wrote the
newsletters and what his role was in overseeing their publication. It’s
especially important that he do so immediately. Those writings have
certainly not been forgotten by white supremacist and militia groups that
are promoting his candidacy in Iowa and in New Hampshire. </FONT><BR><FONT
size=2 face=Verdana>The Times <A title="NYT report"
href="http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/26/us/politics/ron-paul-disowns-extremists-views-but-doesnt-disavow-the-support.html"
target=_blank moz-do-not-send="true">reported on Sunday</A> that dozens of
members of the white nationalist Web site Stormfront are volunteering for
the Paul campaign, along with far-right militias, survivalists and
anti-Zionist groups. Don Black, the Stormfront director, said his members
were drawn to Mr. Paul by the newsletters and his positions against
immigration and the Fed (run by Jews, Mr. Black said), even if Mr. Paul were
not himself a white nationalist. </FONT><BR><FONT size=2 face=Verdana>Mr.
Paul, saying he still hopes to “convert” these supporters to his views, has
refused to disavow them or to chase them out of his campaign. If he does not
do so, he will leave a lasting stain on his candidacy, on the libertarian
movement and, very possibly, on the Iowa caucuses. </FONT><BR></DIV>
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