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<DIV><FONT face=Verdana>I agree that Obama is part of the establishment, and as
president has been a real disappointment for many reasons.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Verdana>However, electing Paul would be like trying to put out a
fire by pouring gasoline on it. Increased, ultra-destructive national
divisiveness is only one of the problems he would create, let alone more
selfishness, me-orientation, and simplistic thinking -- where selflessness,
sacrifice, open-mindedness, and willingness to address complexity are what is
needed in my opinion.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Verdana>He is a false libertarian opposing reproductive rights,
equal rights for several groups, etc. Another "Give us the freedoms I
think you should have, but not the ones you think you should have if they are
conflict with mine ideas."</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Verdana>Further, his understanding of things economic and global
issues/threats seem Neanderthal.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Verdana>I cannot suggest an alternative, but using your
metaphor, electing Paul would be galloping at a lathered pace towards
destruction rather than blindly hobbling there.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A
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<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Friday, December 30, 2011 9:36 AM</DIV>
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<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Fw: Mr. Paul’s Discredited
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<DIV dir=ltr>Wayne,<BR><BR>He's the only candidate, including Obama, who is
against empire.<BR><BR>How much integrity can Obama have when he gives himself
the power to assassinate people (including 16 year-old US citizens) around the
world, in secret?<BR><BR>Choosing the lesser of two evils only means we're
running towards hell instead of galloping there.<BR><BR>Sunil<BR><BR>
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From: <A href="mailto:deco@moscow.com">deco@moscow.com</A><BR>To: <A
href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com">Vision2020@moscow.com</A><BR>Date: Fri, 30
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<DIV><FONT face=Verdana>I agree with Rumelhart to the extent that things in this
country [and globally] are broken beyond the traditional politicians' ways
of repairing them. We need bold, realistic, non-poll-driven leaders
who can convince us to re-evaluate our situation, offer feasible solutions, and
to convince us to make the inevitable selfless sacrifices
necessary.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Verdana>Though not traditional, I do not think Ron Paul is one
of those leaders.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Verdana>His view of the world and his positions are too
simplistic for the complex, diverse, globally competitive world we
live in. The latest revelations have shown that his integrity does
not rise above the minimum standard. The simplicity of his views are his
main attraction to many, but reality is the barricade to his views ever
producing workable solutions -- they would be even more disastrous than the
messes we now face.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Verdana>In addition, some of his views are so abhorrent and/or
crackpotty that he would not be likely to convince congress to implement them in
the face of public opinion.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Verdana>Having said that, I am unable to suggest any leader or
group of leaders that seem capable of fixing things. The best I can hope
for is that we elect the lesser of the evils, at least by a little, to struggle
on.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Verdana>I'm glad I'm old and not likely to live too much
longer. I don't not want to see the result of where the world is heading
and the foolishness of those in power resisting what needs to be done to change
that direction.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Verdana>w.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A
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href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com">Sunil Ramalingam</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Friday, December 30, 2011 7:54 AM</DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr>Why doesn't the NYT address Paul's stances on foreign policy? On
defense spending?<BR><BR>Sunil<BR><BR>
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Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 20:38:24 -0800<BR>From: <A
href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</A><BR>To: <A
href="mailto:deco@moscow.com">deco@moscow.com</A><BR>CC: <A
href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com">Vision2020@moscow.com</A><BR>Subject: Re:
[Vision2020] Fw: Mr. Paul’s Discredited Campaign<BR><BR><BR>I'm beginning to
believe that Ron Paul is our only hope to stop the downslope this country is
on. For example, the Transportation Security Administration just got an
extra $7.85 billion in funding for 2012, including several hundred million
dollars of funding for whole body imagers. This passed both the House and
the Senate. Does anyone here actually believe that terrorism is a
personally actionable danger? Do you change your behavior at all due to
the threat? Do you think all the security theater is worth the
money?<BR><BR>Ron Paul is about the only guy out there that votes against this
kind of crap. Pretty much everybody else, (R) or (D), votes it in.
All they seem to argue about is who is getting the pork.<BR><BR>As I see it,
your choices are 1) the same old shit, but next year having slipped even farther
away from rationality or 2) this one bat-shit crazy dude that might actually try
to do something about it.<BR><BR>One thing I've noticed this year is that Ron
Paul is actually getting press. There was a massive grassroots campaign
for him the last couple of elections, but nobody in the media would take him
seriously as an actual candidate.<BR><BR>The fact that they have started the
smear campaign means that there is actually a chance of getting him in
office.<BR><BR>My advice? Don't vote for the person that looks like the
most responsible Dad, or the guy that looks like he's someone you could have a
beer with, or the one that looks like a he's a successful lawyer. All of
those guys are going to perpetuate the power grab that has been going on for the
last few decades.<BR><BR>Vote for the dude that puts the fear of God into the
others. Vote for the one that will work to decrease their power, not the
others that only want to increase it for personal gain.<BR><BR>Sure, he's a bag
of mixed nuts sometimes. But he's the only one with half a chance to shake
things up a bit.<BR><BR>This should be a fun election
year.<BR><BR>Paul<BR><BR>On 12/28/2011 11:35 AM, Art Deco wrote:
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<DIV class=ecxtimestamp>December 27, 2011</DIV>
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<DIV id=ecxarticleBody><FONT size=2 face=Verdana>Ron Paul long ago
disqualified himself for the presidency by peddling claptrap proposals like
abolishing the Federal Reserve, returning to the gold standard, cutting a
third of the federal budget and all foreign aid and opposing the Civil Rights
Act of 1964. </FONT><BR><FONT size=2 face=Verdana>Now, making things worse, he
has failed to convincingly repudiate racist remarks that were published under
his name for years — or the enthusiastic support he is getting from racist
groups. </FONT><BR><FONT size=2 face=Verdana>Mr. Paul, a Republican
congressman from Texas who is doing particularly well in Iowa’s precaucus
polls, published several newsletters in the ’80s and ’90s with names like the
Ron Paul Survival Report and the Ron Paul Political Report. The newsletters
interspersed libertarian political and investment commentary with racial
bigotry, anti-Semitism and far-right paranoia. </FONT><BR><FONT size=2
face=Verdana>Among other offensive statements, the newsletters said that <A
title="McClatchey report"
href="http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2011/12/22/v-print/133898/paul-walks-out-of-interview-over.html"
target=_blank>95 percent of Washington’s black males were criminals</A>, and
they described the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.’s birthday as “Hate Whitey
Day.” One <A title="PDF of a newsletter"
href="http://www.tnr.com/sites/default/files/January1993.pdf"
target=_blank>1993 article</A> appeared under a headline lamenting the
country’s “disappearing white majority.” Other articles suggested that the
Mossad, the Israeli intelligence service, was responsible for the 1993 World
Trade Center bombing, praised the Louisiana racist David Duke and accused some
gay men with AIDS of <A title="NYT report"
href="http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/26/us/politics/ron-paul-disowns-extremists-views-but-doesnt-disavow-the-support.html?ref=politics&pagewanted=all"
target=_blank>deliberately spreading the disease</A>, “perhaps out of a
pathological hatred.” </FONT><BR><FONT size=2 face=Verdana>A <A
title="Reuters report"
href="http://mobile.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSTRE7BM03320111223"
target=_blank>direct-mail ad</A> for the newsletters from around 1993 warned
of a “coming race war in our big cities” and said there was a
“federal-homosexual cover-up” to suppress the impact of AIDS. </FONT><BR><FONT
size=2 face=Verdana>Mr. Paul, who, beginning in 2008, has disavowed the
articles and their ideas, now says that most of them were written by others
and that he was unaware of their content. Even if that were the case, it
suggests a stupendous level of negligence that should force a reconsideration
by anyone considering entrusting him with the White House. </FONT><BR><FONT
size=2 face=Verdana>When the newsletters first became an issue during his
Congressional campaigns in the 1990s, however, <A
title="Slate
report"
href="http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2011/12/26/fifteen_years_ago_ron_paul_wasn_t_claiming_somebody_else_wrote_his_newsletters.html"
target=_blank>he did not deny writing some of them</A> or knowing about them.
</FONT><BR><FONT size=2 face=Verdana>Mr. Paul has never given a full and
detailed accounting of who wrote the newsletters and what his role was in
overseeing their publication. It’s especially important that he do so
immediately. Those writings have certainly not been forgotten by white
supremacist and militia groups that are promoting his candidacy in Iowa and in
New Hampshire. </FONT><BR><FONT size=2 face=Verdana>The Times <A
title="NYT report"
href="http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/26/us/politics/ron-paul-disowns-extremists-views-but-doesnt-disavow-the-support.html"
target=_blank>reported on Sunday</A> that dozens of members of the white
nationalist Web site Stormfront are volunteering for the Paul campaign, along
with far-right militias, survivalists and anti-Zionist groups. Don Black, the
Stormfront director, said his members were drawn to Mr. Paul by the
newsletters and his positions against immigration and the Fed (run by Jews,
Mr. Black said), even if Mr. Paul were not himself a white nationalist.
</FONT><BR><FONT size=2 face=Verdana>Mr. Paul, saying he still hopes to
“convert” these supporters to his views, has refused to disavow them or to
chase them out of his campaign. If he does not do so, he will leave a lasting
stain on his candidacy, on the libertarian movement and, very possibly, on the
Iowa caucuses. </FONT><BR></DIV>
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