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<DIV>Kneejerk judgments?? Perhaps you might want to read the article
again. H&W does have to ensure those are dollars appropriately
spent. That calls for an expenditure of funds, but works to determine applicants
qualify. I don’t know about other states, but certainly Idaho does not
appropriate sufficient monies to cover all the needs of hungry and homeless
folks who live here. Nor does it appropriate sufficient funding to cover
the needs of disabled citizens. I’d welcome an investigation of Idaho
citizens who have lost funding for critical needs that were once covered.
Shirley Ringo has worked diligently to ascertain what the loss of dollars means
to disabled Idaho citizens, but the governor and most other policy makers choose
to say everything is fine. </DIV>
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<DIV>Sue H. </DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A
title=donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com
href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">Donovan Arnold</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, December 08, 2011 6:29 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=ringoshirl@moscow.com
href="mailto:ringoshirl@moscow.com">Shirley Ringo</A> ; <A
title=suehovey@moscow.com href="mailto:suehovey@moscow.com">Sue Hovey</A> ; <A
title=jborden@datawedge.com href="mailto:jborden@datawedge.com">Jay Borden</A> ;
<A title=moscowcares@moscow.com href="mailto:moscowcares@moscow.com">Moscow
Cares</A> ; <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">Moscow Vision 2020</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Feds Dig Into Seattle Welfare
Case</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN>I see knee jerk <SPAN id=misspell-0><SPAN>judgments</SPAN></SPAN>
without all the facts.</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN>The problem here is that you don't know if she is married or not to
the doctor who <SPAN id=misspell-1><SPAN>owns</SPAN></SPAN> the house. If she is
a poor immigrant with no job and two kids who is sleeping with a doctor or is
the wife makes a big difference in the law and her personal situation, you don't
know this. Lots of poor and homeless people sleep at wealthier people's homes.
Lots of poor immigrants have wealthier boyfriends. </SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN>Second, you can either spend a huge portion of your resources
researching each of the 40 million people's real <SPAN
id=misspell-2><SPAN>assets</SPAN></SPAN> which 99.9% of the time will end up
empty handed, or you can spend it giving food and shelter to people that don't
have any. Every dollar you spend researching someone is a dollar of food out of
the mouth of some child or pregnant woman. You need to be sure your research is
worth that loss. </SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN>Donovan Arnold </SPAN></DIV>
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style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> Shirley Ringo
<ringoshirl@moscow.com><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> Sue Hovey <suehovey@moscow.com>;
Jay Borden <jborden@datawedge.com>; Moscow Cares
<moscowcares@moscow.com>; Moscow Vision 2020 <vision2020@moscow.com>
<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Thursday, December 8,
2011 11:46 AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re:
[Vision2020] Feds Dig Into Seattle Welfare Case<BR></FONT><BR>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>This type of crime not only drains public dollars
that are desperately needed elsewhere. It gives an excuse to those who
would prefer not to help people in need to ask for severe cuts or elimination of
support that is essential.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>S</FONT></DIV>
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Original Message ----- </DIV>
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style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: rgb(228,228,228); font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"><B>From:</B>
<A title=suehovey@moscow.com href="mailto:suehovey@moscow.com" rel=nofollow
target=_blank ymailto="mailto:suehovey@moscow.com">Sue Hovey</A> </DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"><B>To:</B>
<A title=jborden@datawedge.com href="mailto:jborden@datawedge.com"
rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:jborden@datawedge.com">Jay
Borden</A> ; <A title=moscowcares@moscow.com
href="mailto:moscowcares@moscow.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:moscowcares@moscow.com">Moscow Cares</A> ; <A
title=vision2020@moscow.com href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" rel=nofollow
target=_blank ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">Moscow Vision 2020</A>
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<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"><B>Sent:</B>
Wednesday, December 07, 2011 2:32 PM</DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"><B>Subject:</B>
Re: [Vision2020] Feds Dig Into Seattle Welfare Case</DIV>
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<DIV>I would say it’s cases like this that WARRANT careful evaluation of
applicants who seek help from these programs. To use a single example to
criticize a program which serves thousands is insufficient. </DIV>
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<DIV>Sue H. </DIV>
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<DIV><B>From:</B> <A title=jborden@datawedge.com
href="mailto:jborden@datawedge.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:jborden@datawedge.com">Jay Borden</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, December 07, 2011 9:24 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=moscowcares@moscow.com
href="mailto:moscowcares@moscow.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:moscowcares@moscow.com">Moscow Cares</A> ; <A
title=vision2020@moscow.com href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" rel=nofollow
target=_blank ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">Moscow Vision 2020</A>
</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Feds Dig Into Seattle Welfare
Case</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=yiv1656051598MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'sans-serif'; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt">I
would say that it’s cases like this that WARRANT the criticism of these
programs. </SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=yiv1656051598MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'sans-serif'; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Jay</SPAN><SPAN
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <A
href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com">vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</A>
[mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Moscow
Cares<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, December 07, 2011 5:57 AM<BR><B>To:</B>
Moscow Vision 2020<BR><B>Subject:</B> [Vision2020] Feds Dig Into Seattle
Welfare Case</SPAN></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=yiv1656051598MsoNormal><SPAN
class=yiv1656051598apple-style-span>It's cases like this one that cause
unwarranted criticism of of programs that assist those pf us who so
desparately need a helping hand.</SPAN></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=yiv1656051598MsoNormal><SPAN
class=yiv1656051598apple-style-span>Abusers of such public assistance programs
MUST be made an example of, as a warning to those considering similar criminal
activity.</SPAN></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=yiv1656051598MsoNormal><SPAN
class=yiv1656051598apple-style-span>One can hardly imagine the subsequent
ridicule, here on the Viz, in response to this article.</SPAN></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=yiv1656051598MsoNormal><SPAN
class=yiv1656051598apple-style-span>Courtesy of <A href="http://King5.com"
rel=nofollow target=_blank>King5.com</A> (Seattle) at:</SPAN></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV
class=yiv1656051598MsoNormal>http://www.king5.com/news/investigators/Waterfront-welfare-recipient-may-be-married-to-Seattle-chiropractor-135139633.html</DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'sans-serif'; COLOR: rgb(51,51,51); FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt">SEATTLE
-- Federal search warrants show what agents were after when they raided a Lake
Washington waterfront property last week while investigating a welfare
recipient living in a million dollar home.</SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'sans-serif'; COLOR: rgb(51,51,51); FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt"><BR><BR><SPAN
class=yiv1656051598apple-style-span>This story generated outrage across the
country after KING 5 Investigator Chris Ingalls broke it last Friday. Since
then, Ingalls has received emails from taxpayers in Texas, Massachusetts and
elsewhere who are aghast.</SPAN></SPAN></DIV></DIV>
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class=yiv1656051598apple-style-span><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'sans-serif'; COLOR: rgb(51,51,51); FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt">The
government has been paying rent subsidies for Lyudmila Shimonova while she
lives in a $1.2 million Seattle home. She was truthful about her waterfront
address, which federal court records show she has lived at since
2003.</SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'sans-serif'; COLOR: rgb(51,51,51); FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt"><BR><BR><SPAN
class=yiv1656051598apple-style-span>She's drawn $135,000 in housing subsidy
payments -- taxpayer money that's supposed to put a roof over the heads of
low-income families. Shimonova also received federal and state cash assistance
and food stamps.</SPAN><BR><BR><SPAN class=yiv1656051598apple-style-span>The
government is trying to get money back from Shimonova and the man it believes
is her husband, Seattle chiropractor David Silverstein, a chiropractor.
Federal agents believe the two are married, something she didn't report on her
welfare applications.</SPAN><BR><BR><SPAN
class=yiv1656051598apple-style-span>The KING 5 Investigators obtained a copy
of the search warrant pertaining to last Thursday's search of the 2,500
square-foot waterfront home. Agents seized a "photo album of family and dog,"
"greeting cards (anniversary and birthday)," and "2 postcards from Ruben to
Mom and Dad." These are things agents might use to try to prove the couple is
married.</SPAN><BR><BR><SPAN class=yiv1656051598apple-style-span>On the
website for Dr. Silverstein's chiropractic office he says he is "happily
married with two children."</SPAN><BR><BR><SPAN
class=yiv1656051598apple-style-span>Local painter Michael Rotchadl is employed
now after spending five grueling months on food stamps. He can't believe
someone who appears to have so much would take from public programs for those
who have nothing.</SPAN><BR><BR><SPAN class=yiv1656051598apple-style-span>"To
find out that somebody is living in a plush mansion on the waterfront,
something that we'd all dream to have, and they're doing it on the dime that
is supposed to give food and housing and assistance to those people who don’t
have anything, it was just gut wrenching," said Rotchadl.</SPAN><BR><BR><SPAN
class=yiv1656051598apple-style-span>Dr. Silverstein's office was closed on
Tuesday, and KING 5 hasn't been able to reach either him or Shimonova for a
comment. Neither of them is charged yet, but the government has filed a
lawsuit against them to recover some of the lost money.</SPAN><BR><BR><SPAN
class=yiv1656051598apple-style-span>Many have asked why it took the government
so long to find out Shimonova lived in a million dollar home. One federal
agent told KING 5 News it's a flaw that the government doesn't do an address
check, when there are many websites that show the location of any
address.</SPAN></SPAN></DIV>
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