<html><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>Amen!!!!<br><br><div>Seeya round town, Moscow.</div><div><br></div><div>Tom Hansen</div><div>Moscow, Idaho</div><div><br></div><div>"If not us, who?</div><div>If not now, when?"</div><div><br></div><div>- Unknown</div></div><div><br>On Nov 30, 2011, at 4:32 PM, "Bill London" <<a href="mailto:london@moscow.com">london@moscow.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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<div>V2020 is a public forum. And sure it is likely that these words could
be read by others who stumble upon V2020 or seek it for the brilliance of the
debate it presents. I remember early in V2020’s life (about 15 years ago)
we got a message from a man in Russia who had looked for something in Moscow,
found V2020, and joined to learn more about America.</div>
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<div>The point is that our messages can be read anywhere in the world, which is
a sign of the power of the Internet, not our prose.</div>
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<div>Careful study of legal precedence now indicates that what First Step is
doing is providing the soapbox in Hyde Park. First Step is not moderating,
changing or editing any messages, and therefore takes no responsibility for
them.</div>
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<div>Vision 2020 users are aware of the public nature of the forum, and
recognize that First Step is not in charge of this forum. We need to offer
First Step our gratitude, not sloppy and mean-spirited attacks.</div>
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<div style="font-color: black"><b>From:</b> <a title="ml394@hushmail.com" href="mailto:ml394@hushmail.com">ML394</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, November 30, 2011 4:01 PM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title="thansen@moscow.com" href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">Tom
Hansen</a> ; <a title="vision2020@moscow.com" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a></a> </div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] First Step Internet: Is It
1984?</div></div></div>
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<div style="FONT-STYLE: normal; DISPLAY: inline; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri'; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: small; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; TEXT-DECORATION: none"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: arial; FONT-SIZE: 13px">When did privacy become a casualty
in our society's pursuit of justice, free speech, better living and
peace?<br><br>Why is this acceptable to you? Why would you start pointing
fingers and throwing names out onto this forum? It is more "gutless" for
First Step Internet to disregard the privacy of forum members than it is for me
to post here anonymously.<br><br>Tom, you cannot be for freedom and against
privacy. It has nothing to do with "having nothing to hide." It has
to do with common decency. Privacy is a good thing as long as someone is
not trying to harm someone else or break the law.<br><br>But my question is
this:<br><br>Is First Step Internet breaking the law by promoting this forum on
search engines? According to electronic data law, First Step Internet
bears legal responsibility if it "knowingly aids in slander."<br><br>Look it up
yourself.<br><br><br><br><br>On Wednesday, November 30, 2011 at 4:54 PM, Tom
Hansen <<a href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">thansen@moscow.com</a>> wrote:
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is a not too old saying. It goes something like . . .<br><br>"If you don't
want the world to know it, don't post it on the internet."<br><br>Please. Go
ahead and google "Tom Hansen Moscow Idaho" or "Tom Hansen Vision2020" or
anything else you are curious about.<br><br>Let your fingers do the stalking.
I have ABSOLUTELY no problem with it. I will openly discuss, right here on the
Viz, ANYTHING you uncover.<br><br>Or, you could do as most people here on the
Viz have done before registering with the Viz . . . GET A LIFE!<br><br>In
spite of your lack of honesty and transparency, I'm guessin' that you are
either one of Dale Courtney's sandbox buddies or Dale Courtney himself. It's
hard to tell. It's like y'all are of one mind. The only question I have is . .
.<br><br>Who's using it today?<br><br>Seeya round town, Moscow.<br><br>Tom
Hansen<br>Moscow, Idaho<br><br>"If not us, who?<br>If not now, when?"<br><br>-
Unknown<br><br>On Nov 30, 2011, at 3:37 PM, "ML394" <<a href="mailto:ml394@hushmail.com">ml394@hushmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br><br>> Janesta Carcich, right? First Step Internet feels that the
whole world should know your private thoughts as expressed on the Vision 2020
forum. Check out JANESTA CARCICH on Google. <br>> <br>> I ask the forum:
Do you want your Vision 2020 posts seen by everyone on the internet?
Ex-spouses, high school classmates, employers and even stalkers can see what
you've posted on this forum. Identity thieves could have a field day with this
forum's posts.<br>> <br>> Check out TOM HANSEN IDAHO on Google.<br>>
<br>> It's all right there, people, right there on Google. Your political
views, your comments about other people, your personal information. It
wouldn't be that hard to impersonate some members of this forum based on what
First Step lets Google track. Why are we letting the First Step Internet
corporation treat our personal thoughts and information like everyone out
there should see it? It's like making a permanent recording of everything that
was ever said in the town square. That's no fun. First Step Internet should
respect the privacy of what is said here on this forum, or it should assume
that it will have future legal problems. <br>> <br>> If someone were to
reveal the social security numbers and home addresses of forum members right
here onto Vision 2020, would anyone think that was a problem? I do, and if you
think that your posts aren't tracked by Google, search your own name online
with the word MOSCOW and see what comes up. It's careless to let anyone see
what you've written here at Vision 2020.<br>> <br>> Tell First Step
Internet to stop the privacy invasion and make all posts past, present and
future private for members only to view. Wake up, it's 2011, and identity
thieves can do a lot with just a little information these days. Protect free
speech properly by making this free speech forum private for all
members.<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> On Wednesday, November 30, 2011 at
4:02 PM, Janesta <<a href="mailto:janesta@gmail.com">janesta@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>> What a pity. I was
under the impression this was a private forum, in that<br>> my comments
could not be found on the web.<br>> <br>> Janesta<br>> <br>> On
Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 3:21 PM, Tom Hansen <<a href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">thansen@moscow.com</a>>
wrote:<br>> <br>> > And your name is . . . ?<br>> ><br>>
> Seeya round town, Moscow.<br>> ><br>> > Tom Hansen<br>>
> Moscow, Idaho<br>> ><br>> > "If not us, who?<br>> > If
not now, when?"<br>> ><br>> > - Unknown<br>> ><br>> >
On Nov 30, 2011, at 2:16 PM, "ML394" <<a href="mailto:ml394@hushmail.com">ml394@hushmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>>
><br>> > What I heard about First Step Internet is this:<br>>
><br>> > Due to the way the forum posts are being tracked by Google
these days,<br>> > anyone can come on this forum and claim to be a
person who they are not.<br>> > Anyone can say anything about someone
else (even slander them) and those<br>> > posts will be tracked by
Google and connected to the name of the slandered<br>> > person.<br>>
><br>> > In fact, most of the email addresses used to post to this
forum could<br>> > never be tracked or traced to the name on the forum
post. There is no easy<br>> > way to prove that any of the forum members
are who they claim to be.<br>> ><br>> > So, if someone were to
claim on this forum to be BILL MOORE, who loves to<br>> > steal money,
commit crimes and wants others to share in his life of<br>> >
self-debasement, there would be no way to prove that BILL MOORE did
not<br>> > author the post. And yet the slander remains online. And we
all know that<br>> > Bill Moore of First Step Internet is hardly a
degenerate. He is one of the<br>> > most upstanding people in the area,
a man who stands for freedom of speech<br>> > and the freedom to slander
people, too.<br>> ><br>> > First Step Internet assumes no
liability for the posts on this forum, but<br>> > according to the
Electronic Frontier Foundation hosting a forum which<br>> > enables
members to slander people by name and not just by their screen name<br>>
> creates a legal liability for the hosting company. In this case,
First<br>> > Step Internet is legally responsible for actually promoting
the Vision 2020<br>> > forum on Google and other search engines. First
Step Internet is legally<br>> > responsible for the slander its members
write about others.<br>> ><br>> > The way I look at it, the longer
First Step Internet lets Google track the<br>> > slanderous comments
that have been made on the forum the greater the<br>> > liability. And
First Step Internet would be out of business quickly.<br>> ><br>>
> While I appreciate how important First Step Internet has been in
the<br>> > development of government-funded, rural internet access and
the development<br>> > of Vision 2020, I am certain that First Step
Internet would be better off<br>> > (from a legal standpoint) making
Vision 2020 a private forum that promotes<br>> > free speech but does
not allow search engines to track the content of its<br>> >
posts.<br>> ><br>> >
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