<html><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>Several other attempts have been made to shut down . . .</div><div><br></div><div>"Not on the Palouse"</div><div><a href="http://www.NotonthePalouse.com">http://www.NotonthePalouse.com</a></div><div><br></div><div>Hard copies of webpages within <span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); ">"Not on the Palouse" have been submitted in court to Judge Stegner, in attempt to shut </span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); ">"Not on the Palouse" down.</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469);"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469);">Yet it remains.</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469);"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469);">Even this shall come to pass<br></span><br><div>Seeya round town, Moscow.</div><div><br></div><div>Tom Hansen</div><div>Moscow, Idaho</div><div><br></div><div>"If not us, who?</div><div>If not now, when?"</div><div><br></div><div>- Unknown</div></div><div><br>On Nov 30, 2011, at 4:53 PM, Darrell Keim <<a href="mailto:keim153@gmail.com">keim153@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div>I am not going to bother looking it up. You may well be right legally. Regardless, proving actual harm done would be difficult. I stand by my comment:</div><div> "There are untold public bulletin boards, etc. where nasty comments are made on a daily basis. If there was money to be made sueing them, I'm sure lawyers would be doing so. Capitalism is highly efficient in that regard!"</div>
<div> </div><div>Again, I applaud your courageous anonymous stand.</div><div> <br><br></div><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 4:13 PM, ML394 <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ml394@hushmail.com"><a href="mailto:ml394@hushmail.com">ml394@hushmail.com</a></a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid;" class="gmail_quote"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 13px;">Darrell:<br>
<br>This is a very good, thoughtful response, but it is not accurate: Most online bulletin boards, Google groups and online forums do not promote posts which slander real people. <br><br>Here's the distinction: If someone on this forum says, "ML394 is a criminal," then that's not slander. But if someone says, "BILL MOORE is a thief," that is actually slander. And the hosting company which promotes that slander become liable in a court of law for the content of its posts.<br>
<br>If a hosting company makes its forum posts private, however, then it is not legally responsible for slanderous content.<br><br>Again, look it up.<div><div class="h5"><br><br> <br><br>On Wednesday, November 30, 2011 at 5:06 PM, Darrell Keim <<a href="mailto:keim153@gmail.com" target="_blank"><a href="mailto:keim153@gmail.com">keim153@gmail.com</a></a>> wrote:<blockquote style="padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 10px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid;">
I've been familiar with 21st century privacy (or, more specifically the<br>lack thereof) for some time, ML394. My snarky response was because I find<br>it quite ridiculous that anyone would be upset that remarks made on a<br>
public board might be read by-gasp!-the public.<br><br>UI see no need for 1st Step to change how V2020 works. Anyone making a<br>judgement solely off what is written here would be extremely foolish.<br><br>I don't think 1st Step has anything to fear RE slander. There are untold<br>
public bulletin boards, etc. where nasty comments are made on a daily<br>basis. If there was money to be made sueing them, I'm sure lawyers would<br>be doing so. Capitalism is highly efficient in that regard!<br><br>
Anyone who wants to look up what I have written on a public forum is free<br>to do so. That is why I attach my name to my musings.<br><br>Glad to see you remember my name from the Chamber. Your memory is<br>excellent, as I left them some time ago. In fact they are looking for<br>
another director, again, even as you read this.<br><br>On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 3:48 PM, ML394 <<a href="mailto:ml394@hushmail.com" target="_blank"><a href="mailto:ml394@hushmail.com">ml394@hushmail.com</a></a>> wrote:<br><br>> Darrell:<br>><br>> I'm glad that you're getting educated about 21st century privacy. And I<br>
> meant it when I said that I heard First Step Internet is going out of<br>> business. A lawsuit for slander could put any small company like First<br>> Step Internet out of business.<br>><br>> Also, I didn't know that the Moscow Chamber of Commerce hires snarky staff<br>
> members like yourself. But that's good for business, right? But when the<br>> Moscow chamber is promoting our town, a quick search through the 2020 posts<br>> can find out what you have to say, how sarcastic you are to others. "When<br>
> did 7th graders take over the chamber of commerce?" will be the big<br>> question businesses ask when they decide on taking their business elsewhere.<br>><br>> Good job, darrell.<br>><br>><br>><br>
><br>> On Wednesday, November 30, 2011 at 4:28 PM, Darrell Keim <<br>> <a href="mailto:keim153@gmail.com" target="_blank"><a href="mailto:keim153@gmail.com">keim153@gmail.com</a></a>> wrote:<br>><br>> Ya mean to say that people can read the things I writ and are written 'bout<br>
> me on a public board!?!<br>><br>> Well, shucks. I am mighty glad you took this courageous anonymous stand,<br>> ML394!<br>><br>> *Shame* on First Step for providing us with a valuable free service, and<br>
> not doing it how y'all think is *proper.*<br>><br>><br>> It is good of you to eddycate us po' innocent rubes about the danger of<br>> postings on the internut.<br>><br>> And you were so clever by starting with your own fake post about First Step<br>
> to make your point!<br>><br>> I sure hope your occupation turns out as well as the others!<br>> On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 3:11 PM, ML394 <<a href="mailto:ml394@hushmail.com" target="_blank"><a href="mailto:ml394@hushmail.com">ml394@hushmail.com</a></a>> wrote:<br>
><br>> > My name is John Q. Public. My name is the name of anyone who gets talked<br>> > about on this forum and has their reputation smeared on the search<br>> > engines. My name is your name, Tom. My name is OCCUPY VISION 2020, taking<br>
> > a stand against First Step Internet for promoting slanderous comments on<br>> > the internet and taking no responsibility for the harm that does to real<br>> > people.<br>> ><br>> > The truth is that corporations like First Step Internet need to be held<br>
> > accountable for their actions and the use of its online technology to<br>> allow<br>> > anonymous smears of real people.<br>> ><br>> > The Vision 2020 policy of having all posts tracked by search engines<br>
> needs<br>> > to be changed. First Step Internet can make sure that no search engines<br>> > track the forum posts. Why do people on the internet need to have access<br>> > to the local posts on the forum? That's not freedom, it is slander with<br>
> > technology.<br>> ><br>> > Change the policy. Freedom of speech within the forum is fine, but having<br>> > the freedom to slander others across the internet should not be allowed<br>> by<br>
> > First Step Internet. All First Step has to do is simply make the forum's<br>> > posts untrackable by search engines. Nothing else on the forum would<br>> > change.<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > On Wednesday, November 30, 2011 at 3:21 PM, Tom Hansen <<br>
> <a href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com" target="_blank"><a href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">thansen@moscow.com</a></a>><br>> > wrote:<br>> ><br>> > And your name is . . . ?<br>> ><br>> > Seeya round town, Moscow.<br>> ><br>
> > Tom Hansen<br>> > Moscow, Idaho<br>> ><br>> > "If not us, who?<br>> > If not now, when?"<br>> ><br>> > - Unknown<br>> ><br>> > On Nov 30, 2011, at 2:16 PM, "ML394" <<a href="mailto:ml394@hushmail.com" target="_blank"><a href="mailto:ml394@hushmail.com">ml394@hushmail.com</a></a>> wrote:<br>
> ><br>> > > What I heard about First Step Internet is this:<br>> > ><br>> > > Due to the way the forum posts are being tracked by Google these days,<br>> > anyone can come on this forum and claim to be a person who they are not.<br>
> > Anyone can say anything about someone else (even slander them) and those<br>> > posts will be tracked by Google and connected to the name of the<br>> slandered<br>> > person.<br>> > ><br>
> > > In fact, most of the email addresses used to post to this forum could<br>> > never be tracked or traced to the name on the forum post. There is no<br>> easy<br>> > way to prove that any of the forum members are who they claim to be.<br>
> > ><br>> > > So, if someone were to claim on this forum to be BILL MOORE, who loves<br>> > to steal money, commit crimes and wants others to share in his life of<br>> > self-debasement, there would be no way to prove that BILL MOORE did not<br>
> > author the post. And yet the slander remains online. And we all know that<br>> > Bill Moore of First Step Internet is hardly a degenerate. He is one of<br>> the<br>> > most upstanding people in the area, a man who stands for freedom of<br>
> speech<br>> > and the freedom to slander people, too.<br>> > ><br>> > > First Step Internet assumes no liability for the posts on this forum,<br>> > but according to the Electronic Frontier Foundation hosting a forum which<br>
> > enables members to slander people by name and not just by their screen<br>> name<br>> > creates a legal liability for the hosting company. In this case, First<br>> Step<br>> > Internet is legally responsible for actually promoting the Vision 2020<br>
> > forum on Google and other search engines. First Step Internet is legally<br>> > responsible for the slander its members write about others.<br>> > ><br>> > > The way I look at it, the longer First Step Internet lets Google track<br>
> > the slanderous comments that have been made on the forum the greater the<br>> > liability. And First Step Internet would be out of business quickly.<br>> > ><br>> > > While I appreciate how important First Step Internet has been in the<br>
> > development of government-funded, rural internet access and the<br>> development<br>> > of Vision 2020, I am certain that First Step Internet would be better off<br>> > (from a legal standpoint) making Vision 2020 a private forum that<br>
> promotes<br>> > free speech but does not allow search engines to track the content of its<br>> > posts.<br>> > > =======================================================<br>> > > List services made available by First Step Internet,<br>
> > > serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.<br>> > > <a href="http://www.fsr.net" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.fsr.net">http://www.fsr.net</a></a><br>> > > mailto:<a href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank"><a href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com">Vision2020@moscow.com</a></a><br>
> > > =======================================================<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > =======================================================<br>> > List services made available by First Step Internet,<br>
> > serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.<br>> > <a href="http://www.fsr.net" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.fsr.net">http://www.fsr.net</a></a><br>> > mailto:<a href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank"><a href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com">Vision2020@moscow.com</a></a><br>
> > =======================================================<br>> ><br>><br>></blockquote></div></div></span></blockquote></div><br>
</div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div><span>=======================================================</span><br><span> List services made available by First Step Internet,</span><br><span> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.</span><br><span> <a href="http://www.fsr.net"><a href="http://www.fsr.net">http://www.fsr.net</a></a></span><br><span> <a href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com"><a href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com">mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com</a></a></span><br><span>=======================================================</span></div></blockquote></body></html>