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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Verdana>Your link gives us the understanding of your
motivation. Nice try.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Verdana>There will be more for you relish
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Verdana>w.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A
title="mailto:ml394@hushmail.com
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href="mailto:ml394@hushmail.com">ML394</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, November 30, 2011 4:35 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=godshatter@yahoo.com
href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">Paul Rumelhart</A> ; <A
title=keim153@gmail.com href="mailto:keim153@gmail.com">Darrell Keim</A> ; <A
title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Bill Moore - First Step
Internet</DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 13px">Here's a good
one:<BR><A
href="http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2011-May/076264.html">http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2011-May/076264.html</A><BR><BR>It's
loaded with gossip, nothing much substantiated here. <BR><BR>Gossip when
done face to face is one thing, but done on the internet and leaving a permanent
mark against a person's reputation is internet slander.<BR><BR><BR><BR>On
Wednesday, November 30, 2011 at 5:24 PM, Paul Rumelhart <<A
href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</A>> wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE
style="BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 10px; MARGIN-LEFT: 10px">Can
you point me to an example of slander being sent to the
Viz?<BR><BR>Paul<BR><BR><BR><BR>________________________________<BR>From:
ML394 <ml394@hushmail.com><BR>To: Darrell Keim
<keim153@gmail.com>; vision2020@moscow.com <BR>Sent: Wednesday, November
30, 2011 4:13 PM<BR>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Bill Moore - First Step
Internet<BR><BR><BR>Darrell:<BR><BR>This is a very good, thoughtful response,
but it is not accurate: Most online bulletin boards, Google groups and online
forums do not promote posts which slander real people. <BR><BR>Here's
the distinction: If someone on this forum says, "ML394 is a criminal," then
that's not slander. But if someone says, "BILL MOORE is a thief," that
is actually slander. And the hosting company which promotes that slander
become liable in a court of law for the content of its posts.<BR><BR>If a
hosting company makes its forum posts private, however, then it is not legally
responsible for slanderous content.<BR><BR>Again, look it
up.<BR><BR> <BR><BR>On Wednesday, November 30, 2011 at 5:06 PM, Darrell
Keim <keim153@gmail.com> wrote:<BR>I've been familiar with 21st century
privacy (or, more specifically the<BR>>lack thereof) for some time, ML394.
My snarky response was because I find<BR>>it quite ridiculous that anyone
would be upset that remarks made on a<BR>>public board might be read
by-gasp!-the public.<BR>><BR>>UI see no need for 1st Step to change how
V2020 works. Anyone making a<BR>>judgement solely off what is written here
would be extremely foolish.<BR>><BR>>I don't think 1st Step has anything
to fear RE slander. There are untold<BR>>public bulletin boards, etc. where
nasty comments are made on a daily<BR>>basis. If there was money to be made
sueing them, I'm sure lawyers would<BR>>be doing so. Capitalism is highly
efficient in that regard!<BR>><BR>>Anyone who wants to look up what I
have written on a public forum is free<BR>>to do so. That is why I attach
my name to my musings.<BR>><BR>>Glad to see you remember my name from
the Chamber. Your memory is<BR>>excellent, as I left them some time ago. In
fact they are looking for<BR>>another director, again, even as you read
this.<BR>><BR>>On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 3:48 PM, ML394
<ml394@hushmail.com> wrote:<BR>><BR>>>
Darrell:<BR>>><BR>>> I'm glad that you're getting educated about
21st century privacy. And I<BR>>> meant it when I said that I heard
First Step Internet is going out of<BR>>> business. A lawsuit for
slander could put any small company like First<BR>>> Step Internet out
of business.<BR>>><BR>>> Also, I didn't know that the Moscow
Chamber of Commerce hires snarky staff<BR>>> members like yourself. But
that's good for business, right? But when the<BR>>> Moscow chamber is
promoting our town, a quick search through the 2020 posts<BR>>> can find
out what you have to say, how sarcastic you are to others. "When<BR>>>
did 7th graders take over the chamber of commerce?" will be the
big<BR>>> question businesses ask when they decide on taking their
business elsewhere.<BR>>><BR>>> Good job,
darrell.<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> On
Wednesday, November 30, 2011 at 4:28 PM, Darrell Keim <<BR>>>
keim153@gmail.com> wrote:<BR>>><BR>>> Ya mean to say that
people can read the things I writ and are written 'bout<BR>>> me on a
public board!?!<BR>>><BR>>> Well, shucks. I am mighty glad you
took this courageous anonymous stand,<BR>>>
ML394!<BR>>><BR>>> *Shame* on First Step for providing us with a
valuable free service, and<BR>>> not doing it how y'all think is
*proper.*<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> It is good of you to eddycate us
po' innocent rubes about the danger of<BR>>> postings on the
internut.<BR>>><BR>>> And you were so clever by starting with your
own fake post about First Step<BR>>> to make your
point!<BR>>><BR>>> I sure hope your occupation turns out as well
as the others!<BR>>> On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 3:11 PM, ML394
<ml394@hushmail.com> wrote:<BR>>><BR>>> > My name is John
Q. Public. My name is the name of anyone who gets talked<BR>>> >
about on this forum and has their reputation smeared on the search<BR>>>
> engines. My name is your name, Tom. My name is OCCUPY VISION 2020,
taking<BR>>> > a stand against First Step Internet for promoting
slanderous comments on<BR>>> > the internet and taking no
responsibility for the harm that does to real<BR>>> >
people.<BR>>> ><BR>>> > The truth is that corporations like
First Step Internet need to be held<BR>>> > accountable for their
actions and the use of its online technology to<BR>>> allow<BR>>>
> anonymous smears of real people.<BR>>> ><BR>>> > The
Vision 2020 policy of having all posts tracked by search engines<BR>>>
needs<BR>>> > to be changed. First Step Internet can make sure that
no search engines<BR>>> > track the forum posts. Why do people on the
internet need to have access<BR>>> > to the local posts on the forum?
That's not freedom, it is slander with<BR>>> >
technology.<BR>>> ><BR>>> > Change the policy. Freedom of
speech within the forum is fine, but having<BR>>> > the freedom to
slander others across the internet should not be allowed<BR>>>
by<BR>>> > First Step Internet. All First Step has to do is simply
make the forum's<BR>>> > posts untrackable by search engines. Nothing
else on the forum would<BR>>> > change.<BR>>> ><BR>>>
><BR>>> > On Wednesday, November 30, 2011 at 3:21 PM, Tom Hansen
<<BR>>> thansen@moscow.com><BR>>> > wrote:<BR>>>
><BR>>> > And your name is . . . ?<BR>>> ><BR>>>
> Seeya round town, Moscow.<BR>>> ><BR>>> > Tom
Hansen<BR>>> > Moscow, Idaho<BR>>> ><BR>>> > "If
not us, who?<BR>>> > If not now, when?"<BR>>> ><BR>>>
> - Unknown<BR>>> ><BR>>> > On Nov 30, 2011, at 2:16 PM,
"ML394" <ml394@hushmail.com> wrote:<BR>>> ><BR>>> >
> What I heard about First Step Internet is this:<BR>>> >
><BR>>> > > Due to the way the forum posts are being tracked by
Google these days,<BR>>> > anyone can come on this forum and claim to
be a person who they are not.<BR>>> > Anyone can say anything about
someone else (even slander them) and those<BR>>> > posts will be
tracked by Google and connected to the name of the<BR>>>
slandered<BR>>> > person.<BR>>> > ><BR>>> > >
In fact, most of the email addresses used to post to this forum
could<BR>>> > never be tracked or traced to the name on the forum
post. There is no<BR>>> easy<BR>>> > way to prove that any of
the forum members are who they claim to be.<BR>>> > ><BR>>>
> > So, if someone were to claim on this forum to be BILL MOORE, who
loves<BR>>> > to steal money, commit crimes and wants others to share
in his life of<BR>>> > self-debasement, there would be no way to
prove that BILL MOORE did not<BR>>> > author the post. And yet the
slander remains online. And we all know that<BR>>> > Bill Moore of
First Step Internet is hardly a degenerate. He is one of<BR>>>
the<BR>>> > most upstanding people in the area, a man who stands for
freedom of<BR>>> speech<BR>>> > and the freedom to slander
people, too.<BR>>> > ><BR>>> > > First Step Internet
assumes no liability for the posts on this forum,<BR>>> > but
according to the Electronic Frontier Foundation hosting a forum
which<BR>>> > enables members to slander people by name and not just
by their screen<BR>>> name<BR>>> > creates a legal liability
for the hosting company. In this case, First<BR>>> Step<BR>>> >
Internet is legally responsible for actually promoting the Vision
2020<BR>>> > forum on Google and other search engines. First Step
Internet is legally<BR>>> > responsible for the slander its members
write about others.<BR>>> > ><BR>>> > > The way I look
at it, the longer First Step Internet lets Google track<BR>>> > the
slanderous comments that have been made on the forum the greater
the<BR>>> > liability. And First Step Internet would be out of
business quickly.<BR>>> > ><BR>>> > > While I
appreciate how important First Step Internet has been in the<BR>>> >
development of government-funded, rural internet access and the<BR>>>
development<BR>>> > of Vision 2020, I am certain that First Step
Internet would be better off<BR>>> > (from a legal standpoint) making
Vision 2020 a private forum that<BR>>> promotes<BR>>> > free
speech but does not allow search engines to track the content of
its<BR>>> > posts.<BR>>> > >
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