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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>“</span><span style='color:black'>Your answer also concluded to the fact that Clinton didn't lie about adultery”</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>It did? Please show me where I made that connection. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Clinton is guilty of perjury. That part is fact. Whether or not you believe that he truly committed the act (or a sufficient enough act), is a different topic of discussion, as is the discussion to the ethics of scandal. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>(Just like OJ Simpson is not-guilty of his felony conviction…. it’s a *<b>fact</b>* he is not-guilty because a jury found him not-guilty… even though many folks assume that he still committed the crime). <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Clinton was found guilty. He was impeached. This is fact. We can debate about the wiggle-words, what constitutes “sexual relations”, and the “definition of is” until the cows come home… but history has recorded that Clinton was found guilty of perjury.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>If you want to debate about the *<b>ethics</b>* behind the scandal, that’s a much different discussion than the *<b>legality</b>* behind the scandal.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>(And BTW: no judge can “require” someone to choose between self-incrimination and perjury… part of the 5<sup>th</sup> Amendment to the Constitution says you can’t force you to testify against yourself. Your options are to tell the truth, to plead the 5<sup>th</sup>, or to lie…. perjury is the RESULT of the choice you make, not one of the choices itself… (and I’m about ½ a stone’s throw from hitting the upper boundaries of my legal expertise… perhaps someone else heavy on the legal side of things can weigh in).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Jay<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Donovan Arnold [mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, November 30, 2011 1:38 AM<br><b>To:</b> Jay Borden; Saundra Lund; Tom Hansen; Moscow Vision 2020<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] Herman Cain's Extra-Marital Relations<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>Jay,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>I know what I asked you. Irrelevant. Your answer also concluded to the fact that Clinton didn't lie about adultery. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>I don't agree with Clinton's answer as being totally truthful. But I think a judge that requires someone to choose between self incrimination and a perjury charge has got a bad idea of what justice and fair trial is all about. The relationship with an intern has no relevance to the case and was asked only to play "gotta questions" for political reasons. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>Donovan Arnold<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> Jay Borden <jborden@datawedge.com><br><b>To:</b> Saundra Lund <v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm>; Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com>; Tom Hansen <thansen@moscow.com>; Moscow Vision 2020 <vision2020@moscow.com> <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, November 30, 2011 12:36 AM<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [Vision2020] Herman Cain's Extra-Marital Relations<br><br></span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div id=yiv711016936><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I’m sure we can all rehash stuff from the 90’s…</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>… but I’ll only rehash what I wrote just a few emails ago:</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>“I’m not defending any of these clowns”. </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>If you want to talk *<b>ethics</b>*, they all lose. (Gingrich had a string of affairs (even though he seemed to have a history of marrying each mistress and dumping the current wife…) and Lewinsky was the last in a string of rompings (Jones and Flowers). </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>If you want to talk *<b>legality</b>*, Clinton was guilty of perjury, since he lied under oath. Gingrich did not lie under oath… therefore he was not guilty of perjury.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Jay</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;border-color:currentColor currentColor'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> Saundra Lund [mailto:v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm] <br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, November 29, 2011 7:03 PM<br><b>To:</b> Jay Borden; 'Donovan Arnold'; 'Tom Hansen'; 'Moscow Vision 2020'<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [Vision2020] Herman Cain's Extra-Marital Relations</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Since you can rehash stuff from the 90s, how about rehashing the details of how Gingrich proved himself – time & again – to have the ethics & morals of a piece of crap?</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>After all, it’s certainly not Bill Clinton that’s currently trying to sell himself as presidential material the way Nasty Newt is.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Saundra</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;border-color:currentColor currentColor'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> vision2020-bounces@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jay Borden<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, November 29, 2011 5:51 PM<br><b>To:</b> Donovan Arnold; Tom Hansen; Moscow Vision 2020<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] Herman Cain's Extra-Marital Relations</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Well, I’m not really defending any of these clowns…</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>… but Gingrich lied while Clinton was guilty of perjury. Clinton wasn’t damned because of the affair, he was damned because he lied under oath.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>But… I’m just dredging up the same arguments that happened back in the 90’s.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Jay</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;border-color:currentColor currentColor'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> <a href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</a> <a href="mailto:[mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com]" target="_blank">[mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com]</a> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Donovan Arnold<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, November 29, 2011 3:41 PM<br><b>To:</b> Tom Hansen; Moscow Vision 2020<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] Herman Cain's Extra-Marital Relations</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>I think it is ironic that support shifted from Cain to Gingrich after it was released by the press that Cain had several affairs when Gingrich also had affairs. Worse, Gingrich had an affair and left his wife while she was in the hospital. Gingrich also tried to impeach Clinton for lying about his affair while lying about his own. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>Donovan Arnold<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><div style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> Tom Hansen <<a href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com" target="_blank">thansen@moscow.com</a>><br><b>To:</b> Moscow Vision 2020 <<a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020@moscow.com</a>> <br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, November 29, 2011 9:55 AM<br><b>Subject:</b> [Vision2020] Herman Cain's Extra-Marital Relations</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id=yiv711016936><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>Courtesy of the <span class=yiv711016936mark>Borowitz</span> Report at:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>http://www.borowitzreport.com<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>------------------------------<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:2.25pt;line-height:25.5pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:22.5pt;color:#016AAA'>Poll: 28% Think Cain Had Affair; 28% Don’t Think Cain Had Affair; 44% Having Affair with Cain Right Now</span><b><span style='font-size:24.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:11.25pt;line-height:15.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:13.5pt;color:#636054'>Millions of Exes Could Spell Trouble for Candidate</span><b><span style='font-size:18.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></b></p><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellpadding=0 align=left style='margin-right:15.0pt;margin-bottom:6.0pt'><tr><td valign=top style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-element:frame;mso-element-frame-hspace:2.25pt;mso-element-wrap:around;mso-element-anchor-vertical:paragraph;mso-element-anchor-horizontal:column;mso-height-rule:exactly'><!--[if gte vml 1]><v:shapetype id="_x0000_t75" coordsize="21600,21600" o:spt="75" o:preferrelative="t" path="m@4@5l@4@11@9@11@9@5xe" filled="f" stroked="f">
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