<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span>Roger,</span></div><div><span></span> </div><div><span>I worry for you. : P</span></div><div><span></span> </div><div><span>Donovan Arnold</span></div><div><br></div><div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"><div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"><font size="2" face="Arial"><div style="margin: 5px 0px; padding: 0px; border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); height: 0px; line-height: 0; font-size: 0px;" class="hr" contentEditable="false" readonly="true"></div><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> "rhayes@frontier.com" <rhayes@frontier.com><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> vision2020@moscow.com<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Saturday, November 5, 2011 4:32
PM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Vision2020] Vision2020 Digest, Vol 65, Issue 69<br></font><br>Well that is a dumb suggestion if I ever heard of one. <br>----- Original Message -----<br>From: <a href="mailto:vision2020-request@moscow.com" ymailto="mailto:vision2020-request@moscow.com">vision2020-request@moscow.com</a><br>To: <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>Sent: Saturday, November 5, 2011 2:43:20 PM<br>Subject: Vision2020 Digest, Vol 65, Issue 69<br><br>Send Vision2020 mailing list submissions to<br> <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br><br>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br> <a href="http://mailman.fsr.com/mailman/listinfo/vision2020" target="_blank">http://mailman.fsr.com/mailman/listinfo/vision2020</a><br>or, via
email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br> <a href="mailto:vision2020-request@moscow.com" ymailto="mailto:vision2020-request@moscow.com">vision2020-request@moscow.com</a><br><br>You can reach the person managing the list at<br> <a href="mailto:vision2020-owner@moscow.com" ymailto="mailto:vision2020-owner@moscow.com">vision2020-owner@moscow.com</a><br><br>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br>than "Re: Contents of Vision2020 digest..."<br><br><br>Today's Topics:<br><br> 1. Re: DVD (Donovan Arnold)<br><br><br>----------------------------------------------------------------------<br><br>Message: 1<br>Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 14:43:15 -0700 (PDT)<br>From: Donovan Arnold <<a href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com" ymailto="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com</a>><br>To: "<a href="mailto:rhayes@frontier.com"
ymailto="mailto:rhayes@frontier.com">rhayes@frontier.com</a>" <<a href="mailto:rhayes@frontier.com" ymailto="mailto:rhayes@frontier.com">rhayes@frontier.com</a>>,<br> "<a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a>" <<a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a>><br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] DVD<br>Message-ID:<br> <<a href="mailto:1320529395.30934.YahooMailNeo@web38105.mail.mud.yahoo.com" ymailto="mailto:1320529395.30934.YahooMailNeo@web38105.mail.mud.yahoo.com">1320529395.30934.YahooMailNeo@web38105.mail.mud.yahoo.com</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<br><br>Roger,<br>?<br>Did you or your wife recently have an abortion, or thinking about having an abortion?<br>?<br>Donovan Arnold<br><br><br>________________________________<br>From: "<a
href="mailto:rhayes@frontier.com" ymailto="mailto:rhayes@frontier.com">rhayes@frontier.com</a>" <<a href="mailto:rhayes@frontier.com" ymailto="mailto:rhayes@frontier.com">rhayes@frontier.com</a>><br>To: <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>Sent: Saturday, November 5, 2011 11:29 AM<br>Subject: [Vision2020] DVD<br><br>I received both the DVD and the post card. How did I get on THAT mailing list?<br>Roger Hayes<br>Moscow<br>----- Original Message -----<br>From: <a href="mailto:vision2020-request@moscow.com" ymailto="mailto:vision2020-request@moscow.com">vision2020-request@moscow.com</a><br>To: <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>Sent: Friday, November 4, 2011 9:26:59 PM<br>Subject: Vision2020 Digest, Vol 65, Issue 62<br><br>Send Vision2020 mailing list submissions to<br>??? <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"
ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br><br>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br>??? <a href="http://mailman.fsr.com/mailman/listinfo/vision2020" target="_blank">http://mailman.fsr.com/mailman/listinfo/vision2020</a><br>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br>??? <a href="mailto:vision2020-request@moscow.com" ymailto="mailto:vision2020-request@moscow.com">vision2020-request@moscow.com</a><br><br>You can reach the person managing the list at<br>??? <a href="mailto:vision2020-owner@moscow.com" ymailto="mailto:vision2020-owner@moscow.com">vision2020-owner@moscow.com</a><br><br>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br>than "Re: Contents of Vision2020 digest..."<br><br><br>Today's Topics:<br><br>? 1. Re: Freeze Church DVD mailing (Tom Hansen)<br>? 2. Occupy Idaho (Tom Hansen)<br>? 3. Re: Freeze Church DVD mailing (Paul
Rumelhart)<br><br><br>----------------------------------------------------------------------<br><br>Message: 1<br>Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 18:38:42 -0700<br>From: Tom Hansen <<a href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com" ymailto="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">thansen@moscow.com</a>><br>To: Darrell Keim <<a href="mailto:keim153@gmail.com" ymailto="mailto:keim153@gmail.com">keim153@gmail.com</a>><br>Cc: Vision 2020 <<a href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com" ymailto="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com">Vision2020@moscow.com</a>><br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Freeze Church DVD mailing<br>Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:9604A885-6697-40D9-9B97-B919A081B0F3@moscow.com" ymailto="mailto:9604A885-6697-40D9-9B97-B919A081B0F3@moscow.com">9604A885-6697-40D9-9B97-B919A081B0F3@moscow.com</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"<br><br>Maybe this should be brought to the attention of then-president of the Postcard Hoax Fund and go-between for the fund and MPD .
. . Walter Steed.? Any bets on how soon this would be shelved and forgotten.<br><br>It should be noted, however, that, in my opinion, when taken into comparison, the vocabulary between . . .<br><br>The Freeze Church website<br><a href="http://freezechurch.org/page12.html" target="_blank">http://freezechurch.org/page12.html</a><br><br>And the "postcard"<br><a href="http://www.moscowcares.com/hero/postcard_hoax.htm" target="_blank">http://www.moscowcares.com/hero/postcard_hoax.htm</a><br><br>. . . are remarkably similar.<br><br>Hmmm.<br><br>Seeya round town, Moscow.<br><br>Tom Hansen<br>Moscow, Idaho<br><br><br><br><br>On Nov 4, 2011, at 6:26 PM, Darrell Keim <<a href="mailto:keim153@gmail.com" ymailto="mailto:keim153@gmail.com">keim153@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br>> I wonder if MPD will look into said question...<br>> <br>> On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 6:11 PM, Tom Hansen <<a href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com"
ymailto="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">thansen@moscow.com</a>> wrote:<br>> Excellent question, Darrell.<br>> <br>> I did not receive the "postcard".? Nor did I receive the DVD.? It would be interesting to compare their respective mailing lists.? It might be a good idea for anybody that has received the DVD to report it to the Moscow Police Department.<br>> <br>> The offer remains in affect . . .<br>> <br>> <a href="http://www.moscowcares.com/hero/postcard_hoax.htm" target="_blank">http://www.moscowcares.com/hero/postcard_hoax.htm</a><br>>? <br>> Seeya round town, Moscow.<br>> <br>> Tom Hansen<br>> Moscow, Idaho<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> On Nov 4, 2011, at 5:56 PM, Darrell Keim <<a href="mailto:keim153@gmail.com" ymailto="mailto:keim153@gmail.com">keim153@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>> <br>>> It would be interesting to know if the same people receiving this DVD are the people that got the Bouma
postcard last year.<br>>> <br>>> <br>>>? <br>>> On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 5:47 PM, Sue Hovey <<a href="mailto:suehovey@moscow.com" ymailto="mailto:suehovey@moscow.com">suehovey@moscow.com</a>> wrote:<br>>> What a cruel way to try to make a point.? I know many people who do not believe in abortion who would never, ever stoop to this coercive behavior.? If people in the Freeze Church choose this message as a way to make their point, shame on them.? It certainly explains a lot about their lack of compassion for those who might disagree.<br>>>? <br>>> Sue H.<br>>>? <br>>> From: Darrell Keim<br>>> Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 4:56 PM<br>>> To: Paul Rumelhart<br>>> Cc: Vision 2020<br>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Freeze Church DVD mailing<br>>>? <br>>> I watched the video.? Make no mistake, Paul-this video does not explain their beliefs on anything but abortion.?
Nor does it back those beliefs with scripture.? It is strictly an anti-abortion video.<br>>> <br>>> On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 4:54 PM, Paul Rumelhart <<a href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com" ymailto="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br>>>? <br>>>? <br>>> "The same as all the rest of the crackpots in the area that claim to have that ultimate truth that no one else does, and if you don't believe everything they say (and tacitly: give them money), then you are SOL for eternity."<br>>> <br>>> You seem to take great pains to denigrate true believers as if they were evil conspirators set on bringing down society for their own twisted pleasures and financial gain.<br>>> <br>>> This particular group doesn't strike me as living high on the hog, so I wouldn't classify them with the multimillion dollar televangelists.? They look more like a bunch of regular Joes that presumably
truly believe what they are saying, and they care strongly enough about it to scrape enough together to mass-mail DVD's explaining their beliefs.? I don't find that so onerous, and it can even be seen as a caring gesture if you look at it from that perspective.? <br>>> <br>>> That being said, their beliefs are so dissimilar to my own beliefs that it's like we are on two different planets trying to communicate without knowing the others language.? My own beliefs don't require evangelization, and I often wish that other religions didn't require it, either.? Nevertheless, I accept their evangelism in the same way that I accept my friends rantings about the evils of Apple or my other friends in-depth descriptions of the design and construction of bee hive boxes: resignedly.? Presumably that's how my friends accept my constant discussion of various at-home programming projects I'm working on or my rantings about climate science.<br>>>
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ymailto="mailto:fritzknorr@gmail.com">fritzknorr@gmail.com</a>>, B J Swanson <<a href="mailto:bjswanson@gmail.com" ymailto="mailto:bjswanson@gmail.com">bjswanson@gmail.com</a>>,<br>??? Jeanne McHale <<a href="mailto:jeannemchale@hotmail.com" ymailto="mailto:jeannemchale@hotmail.com">jeannemchale@hotmail.com</a>>, "\"Fiddlin' Big Al\"<br>??? Chidester" <<a href="mailto:alchidester@juno.com" ymailto="mailto:alchidester@juno.com">alchidester@juno.com</a>>, Brett Haverstick<br>??? <<a href="mailto:bhaverstick@yahoo.com" ymailto="mailto:bhaverstick@yahoo.com">bhaverstick@yahoo.com</a>>, Marilyn Beckett <<a href="mailto:marilynbeckett@gmail.com" ymailto="mailto:marilynbeckett@gmail.com">marilynbeckett@gmail.com</a>>,<br>??? Cheryl Halverson <<a href="mailto:basketmakeart@yahoo.com" ymailto="mailto:basketmakeart@yahoo.com">basketmakeart@yahoo.com</a>>, Joann Muneta<br>??? <<a href="mailto:Jmuneta@uidaho.edu"
ymailto="mailto:Jmuneta@uidaho.edu">Jmuneta@uidaho.edu</a>>, Jacqueline Bradish <<a href="mailto:jbradish@roadrunner.com" ymailto="mailto:jbradish@roadrunner.com">jbradish@roadrunner.com</a>>,<br>??? Penni Cyr <<a href="mailto:cpenni@gmail.com" ymailto="mailto:cpenni@gmail.com">cpenni@gmail.com</a>>, Emily Poor <<a href="mailto:emilypoor@gmail.com" ymailto="mailto:emilypoor@gmail.com">emilypoor@gmail.com</a>>, Wild<br>??? Idaho Rising Tide <<a href="mailto:wild.idaho.rising.tide@gmail.com" ymailto="mailto:wild.idaho.rising.tide@gmail.com">wild.idaho.rising.tide@gmail.com</a>>, Helen Yost<br>??? <<a href="mailto:helen.yost@vandals.uidaho.edu" ymailto="mailto:helen.yost@vandals.uidaho.edu">helen.yost@vandals.uidaho.edu</a>>, "Dr. Dinah Zeiger"<br>??? <<a href="mailto:dzeiger@uidaho.edu" ymailto="mailto:dzeiger@uidaho.edu">dzeiger@uidaho.edu</a>><br>Subject: [Vision2020] Occupy Idaho<br>Message-ID: <<a
href="mailto:1D96861C-3609-4CBC-8466-31E7EC15C494@moscow.com" ymailto="mailto:1D96861C-3609-4CBC-8466-31E7EC15C494@moscow.com">1D96861C-3609-4CBC-8466-31E7EC15C494@moscow.com</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain;??? charset=us-ascii<br><br>Courtesy of Idaho Public Television's "Dialogue"<br><br><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6VGkRkJOYw" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6VGkRkJOYw</a><br><br>Seeya round town, Moscow.<br><br>Tom Hansen<br>Moscow, Idaho<br><br><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 3<br>Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2011 21:22:57 -0700<br>From: Paul Rumelhart <<a href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com" ymailto="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>><br>To: Tom Hansen <<a href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com" ymailto="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">thansen@moscow.com</a>><br>Cc: Vision 2020 <<a href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com"
ymailto="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com">Vision2020@moscow.com</a>><br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Freeze Church DVD mailing<br>Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:4EB4BA21.9010504@yahoo.com" ymailto="mailto:4EB4BA21.9010504@yahoo.com">4EB4BA21.9010504@yahoo.com</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed"<br><br><br>Help me here, I'm trying to follow.? Sending out a DVD isn't a criminal <br>act, right?? So you're hoping that if the same people that received the <br>DVD also received the postcard when it was mailed out last year or <br>whenever that you could then prove that it was the Freeze Church people <br>that sent out the postcard?? And sending the postcard was a criminal act <br>because it was threatening, right?? Your link doesn't go into a lot of <br>detail.<br><br>I doubt that the similarity of address lists would be enough to convict <br>someone.? Besides, it would be really hard to prove that they were in <br>fact
identical lists, unless you had some way of getting that info and <br>verifying it.<br><br>I'd also like to point out that I don't actually find the postcard <br>threatening.? It's more akin to a sign in the forest saying that if you <br>continue to walk along this path, you will likely be eaten by a grue.? <br>That's scary, sure, but it's not threatening.? Besides, I don't believe <br>that grues exist and are freely roaming the forests nearby, anyway.? <br>Actually, you could look at the sign as a misguided warning trying to <br>help you, albeit from a species of animal only found in an old video <br>game as far as I know.? The same reasoning applies to the postcard, at <br>least in my opinion.<br><br>I know I'm going to get a shit-ton of crap foisted upon me because I'm <br>going against the agreed-upon group-think here, but if we really were a <br>community that was proud of it's culturally diverse citizens as your web <br>page claims then we would
accept that others have vastly different <br>opinions about religion than our own and not make it into such a big <br>deal when they go on a rant.<br><br>I could agree with taking away their tax-exempt status because of this <br>if it were proven that the church leadership sent the postcard out.? I <br>haven't watched the DVD yet, so I don't know if they are using it to <br>endorse a candidate or not.? If they want to be political, then they <br>shouldn't receive tax exemptions since they are predicated upon their <br>not getting involved in politics.<br><br>Paul<br><br>On 11/04/2011 06:38 PM, Tom Hansen wrote:<br>> Maybe this should be brought to the attention of then-president of the <br>> Postcard Hoax Fund and go-between for the fund and MPD . . . Walter <br>> Steed.? Any bets on how soon this would be shelved and forgotten.<br>><br>> It should be noted, however, that, in my opinion, when taken into <br>> comparison, the vocabulary
between . . .<br>><br>> The Freeze Church website<br>> <a href="http://freezechurch.org/page12.html" target="_blank">http://freezechurch.org/page12.html</a><br>><br>> And the "postcard"<br>> <a href="http://www.moscowcares.com/hero/postcard_hoax.htm" target="_blank">http://www.moscowcares.com/hero/postcard_hoax.htm</a><br>><br>> . . . are remarkably similar.<br>><br>> Hmmm.<br>><br>> Seeya round town, Moscow.<br>><br>> Tom Hansen<br>> Moscow, Idaho<br>><br>><br>><br>><br>> On Nov 4, 2011, at 6:26 PM, Darrell Keim <<a href="mailto:keim153@gmail.com" ymailto="mailto:keim153@gmail.com">keim153@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>><br>>> I wonder if MPD will look into said question...<br>>><br>>> On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 6:11 PM, Tom Hansen <<a href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com" ymailto="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">thansen@moscow.com</a> <br>>> <mailto:<a
href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com" ymailto="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">thansen@moscow.com</a>>> wrote:<br>>><br>>>? ? Excellent question, Darrell.<br>>><br>>>? ? I did not receive the "postcard".? Nor did I receive the DVD.? It<br>>>? ? would be interesting to compare their respective mailing lists.<br>>>? ? ? It might be a good idea for anybody that has received the DVD to<br>>>? ? report it to the Moscow Police Department.<br>>><br>>>? ? The offer remains in affect . . .<br>>><br>>>? ? <a href="http://www.moscowcares.com/hero/postcard_hoax.htm" target="_blank">http://www.moscowcares.com/hero/postcard_hoax.htm</a><br>>>? ? Seeya round town, Moscow.<br>>><br>>>? ? Tom Hansen<br>>>? ? Moscow, Idaho<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>>? ? On Nov 4, 2011, at 5:56 PM, Darrell Keim <<a
href="mailto:keim153@gmail.com" ymailto="mailto:keim153@gmail.com">keim153@gmail.com</a><br>>>? ? <mailto:<a href="mailto:keim153@gmail.com" ymailto="mailto:keim153@gmail.com">keim153@gmail.com</a>>> wrote:<br>>><br>>>>? ? It would be interesting to know if the same people receiving<br>>>>? ? this DVD are the people that got the Bouma postcard last year.<br>>>><br>>>><br>>>>? ? On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 5:47 PM, Sue Hovey <<a href="mailto:suehovey@moscow.com" ymailto="mailto:suehovey@moscow.com">suehovey@moscow.com</a><br>>>>? ? <mailto:<a href="mailto:suehovey@moscow.com" ymailto="mailto:suehovey@moscow.com">suehovey@moscow.com</a>>> wrote:<br>>>><br>>>>? ? ? ? What a cruel way to try to make a point.? I know many people<br>>>>? ? ? ? who do not believe in abortion who would never, ever
stoop<br>>>>? ? ? ? to this coercive behavior.? If people in the Freeze Church<br>>>>? ? ? ? choose this message as a way to make their point, shame on<br>>>>? ? ? ? them.? It certainly explains a lot about their lack of<br>>>>? ? ? ? compassion for those who might disagree.<br>>>>? ? ? ? Sue H.<br>>>>? ? ? ? *From:* Darrell Keim <mailto:<a href="mailto:keim153@gmail.com" ymailto="mailto:keim153@gmail.com">keim153@gmail.com</a>><br>>>>? ? ? ? *Sent:* Friday, November 04, 2011 4:56 PM<br>>>>? ? ? ? *To:* Paul Rumelhart <mailto:<a href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com" ymailto="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>><br>>>>? ? ? ? *Cc:* Vision 2020 <mailto:<a href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com" ymailto="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com">Vision2020@moscow.com</a>><br>>>>? ? ? ?
*Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] Freeze Church DVD mailing<br>>>>? ? ? ? I watched the video.? Make no mistake, Paul-this video does<br>>>>? ? ? ? not explain their beliefs on anything but abortion.? Nor<br>>>>? ? ? ? does it back those beliefs with scripture.? It is strictly<br>>>>? ? ? ? an anti-abortion video.<br>>>><br>>>>? ? ? ? On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 4:54 PM, Paul Rumelhart<br>>>>? ? ? ? <<a href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com" ymailto="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com" ymailto="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>>> wrote:<br>>>><br>>>>? ? ? ? ? ? "The same as all the rest of the crackpots in the area<br>>>>? ? ? ? ? ? that claim to have that ultimate truth that no one else<br>>>>? ? ? ? ? ? does, and if you
don't believe everything they say (and<br>>>>? ? ? ? ? ? tacitly: give them money), then you are SOL for eternity."<br>>>><br>>>>? ? ? ? ? ? You seem to take great pains to denigrate true believers<br>>>>? ? ? ? ? ? as if they were evil conspirators set on bringing down<br>>>>? ? ? ? ? ? society for their own twisted pleasures and financial gain.<br>>>><br>>>>? ? ? ? ? ? This particular group doesn't strike me as living high<br>>>>? ? ? ? ? ? on the hog, so I wouldn't classify them with the<br>>>>? ? ? ? ? ? multimillion dollar televangelists.? They look more like<br>>>>? ? ? ? ? ? a bunch of regular Joes that presumably truly believe<br>>>>? ? ? ? ? ? what they are saying, and they care strongly enough<br>>>>? ? ? ? ? ? about it to scrape enough together to mass-mail
DVD's<br>>>>? ? ? ? ? ? explaining their beliefs.? I don't find that so onerous,<br>>>>? ? ? ? ? ? and it can even be seen as a caring gesture if you look<br>>>>? ? ? ? ? ? at it from that perspective.<br>>>><br>>>>? ? ? ? ? ? That being said, their beliefs are so dissimilar to my<br>>>>? ? ? ? ? ? own beliefs that it's like we are on two different<br>>>>? ? ? ? ? ? planets trying to communicate without knowing the others<br>>>>? ? ? ? ? ? language.? My own beliefs don't require evangelization,<br>>>>? ? ? ? ? ? and I often wish that other religions didn't require it,<br>>>>? ? ? ? ? ? either.? Nevertheless, I accept their evangelism in the<br>>>>? ? ? ? ? ? same way that I accept my friends rantings about the<br>>>>? ? ? ? ? ? evils of Apple or my other friends in-depth
descriptions<br>>>>? ? ? ? ? ? of the design and construction of bee hive boxes:<br>>>>? ? ? ? ? ? resignedly.? Presumably that's how my friends accept my<br>>>>? ? ? ? ? ? constant discussion of various at-home programming<br>>>>? ? ? ? ? ? projects I'm working on or my rantings about climate<br>>>>? ? ? ? ? ? science.<br>>>><br>>>>? ? ? ? ? ? Paul<br>>>><br>>>>? ? ? ? ? ? =======================================================<br>>>>? ? ? ? ? ? List services made available by First Step Internet,<br>>>>? ? ? ? ? ? serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.<br>>>>? ? ? ? ? ? <a href="http://www.fsr.net" target="_blank">http://www.fsr.net</a><br>>>>? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? mailto:<a href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com"
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