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    Help me here, I'm trying to follow.  Sending out a DVD isn't a
    criminal act, right?  So you're hoping that if the same people that
    received the DVD also received the postcard when it was mailed out
    last year or whenever that you could then prove that it was the
    Freeze Church people that sent out the postcard?  And sending the
    postcard was a criminal act because it was threatening, right?  Your
    link doesn't go into a lot of detail.<br>
    <br>
    I doubt that the similarity of address lists would be enough to
    convict someone.  Besides, it would be really hard to prove that
    they were in fact identical lists, unless you had some way of
    getting that info and verifying it.<br>
    <br>
    I'd also like to point out that I don't actually find the postcard
    threatening.  It's more akin to a sign in the forest saying that if
    you continue to walk along this path, you will likely be eaten by a
    grue.  That's scary, sure, but it's not threatening.  Besides, I
    don't believe that grues exist and are freely roaming the forests
    nearby, anyway.  Actually, you could look at the sign as a misguided
    warning trying to help you, albeit from a species of animal only
    found in an old video game as far as I know.  The same reasoning
    applies to the postcard, at least in my opinion.<br>
    <br>
    I know I'm going to get a shit-ton of crap foisted upon me because
    I'm going against the agreed-upon group-think here, but if we really
    were a community that was proud of it's culturally diverse citizens
    as your web page claims then we would accept that others have vastly
    different opinions about religion than our own and not make it into
    such a big deal when they go on a rant.<br>
    <br>
    I could agree with taking away their tax-exempt status because of
    this if it were proven that the church leadership sent the postcard
    out.  I haven't watched the DVD yet, so I don't know if they are
    using it to endorse a candidate or not.  If they want to be
    political, then they shouldn't receive tax exemptions since they are
    predicated upon their not getting involved in politics.<br>
    <br>
    Paul<br>
    <br>
    On 11/04/2011 06:38 PM, Tom Hansen wrote:
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      cite="mid:9604A885-6697-40D9-9B97-B919A081B0F3@moscow.com"
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      <div>Maybe this should be brought to the attention of
        then-president of the Postcard Hoax Fund and go-between for the
        fund and MPD . . . Walter Steed.  Any bets on how soon this
        would be shelved and forgotten.</div>
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      <div>It should be noted, however, that, in my opinion, when taken
        into comparison, the vocabulary between . . .</div>
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      <div>The Freeze Church website</div>
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          href="http://freezechurch.org/page12.html">http://freezechurch.org/page12.html</a></div>
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      <div>And the "postcard"</div>
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        href="http://www.moscowcares.com/hero/postcard_hoax.htm">http://www.moscowcares.com/hero/postcard_hoax.htm</a>
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      <div>. . . are remarkably similar.</div>
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      <div>Hmmm.<br>
        <div><br>
          <div>Seeya round town, Moscow.</div>
          <div><br>
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          <div>Tom Hansen</div>
          <div>Moscow, Idaho</div>
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          On Nov 4, 2011, at 6:26 PM, Darrell Keim
          <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:keim153@gmail.com"><keim153@gmail.com></a> wrote:<br>
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          <div>I wonder if MPD will look into said question...<br>
            <br>
            <div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 6:11 PM, Tom
              Hansen <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">thansen@moscow.com</a>></span>
              wrote:<br>
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                  <div>Excellent question, Darrell.</div>
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                  <div>I did not receive the "postcard".  Nor did I
                    receive the DVD.  It would be interesting to compare
                    their respective mailing lists.  It might be a good
                    idea for anybody that has received the DVD to report
                    it to the Moscow Police Department.</div>
                  <div><br>
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                  <div>The offer remains in affect . . .</div>
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                      href="http://www.moscowcares.com/hero/postcard_hoax.htm"
                      target="_blank">http://www.moscowcares.com/hero/postcard_hoax.htm</a></div>
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                  <div>
                    <div>Seeya round town, Moscow.</div>
                    <div><br>
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                    <div>Tom Hansen</div>
                    <div>Moscow, Idaho</div>
                    <div><br>
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                  <div><br>
                    On Nov 4, 2011, at 5:56 PM, Darrell Keim <<a
                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="mailto:keim153@gmail.com" target="_blank">keim153@gmail.com</a>>
                    wrote:<br>
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                      <div>It would be interesting to know if the same
                        people receiving this DVD are the people that
                        got the Bouma postcard last year.</div>
                      <div><br>
                        <br>
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                        On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 5:47 PM, Sue Hovey <span
                          dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:suehovey@moscow.com"
                            target="_blank">suehovey@moscow.com</a>></span>
                        wrote:<br>
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                                <div>What a cruel way to try to make a
                                  point.  I know many people who do not
                                  believe in abortion who would never,
                                  ever stoop to this coercive behavior. 
                                  If people in the Freeze Church choose
                                  this message as a way to make their
                                  point, shame on them.  It certainly
                                  explains a lot about their lack of
                                  compassion for those who might
                                  disagree. </div>
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                                <div>Sue H. </div>
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                                      <div><b>From:</b> <a
                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                                          title="keim153@gmail.com"
                                          href="mailto:keim153@gmail.com"
                                          target="_blank">Darrell Keim</a>
                                      </div>
                                      <div><b>Sent:</b> Friday, November
                                        04, 2011 4:56 PM</div>
                                      <div><b>To:</b> <a
                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                                          title="godshatter@yahoo.com"
                                          href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com"
                                          target="_blank">Paul Rumelhart</a>
                                      </div>
                                      <div><b>Cc:</b> <a
                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                                          title="Vision2020@moscow.com"
href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">Vision 2020</a> </div>
                                      <div>
                                        <div><b>Subject:</b> Re:
                                          [Vision2020] Freeze Church DVD
                                          mailing</div>
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                                    <div>I watched the video.  Make no
                                      mistake, Paul-this video does not
                                      explain their beliefs on anything
                                      but abortion.  Nor does it back
                                      those beliefs with scripture.  It
                                      is strictly an anti-abortion
                                      video.<br>
                                      <br>
                                      <div class="gmail_quote">On Fri,
                                        Nov 4, 2011 at 4:54 PM, Paul
                                        Rumelhart <span dir="ltr"><<a
                                            moz-do-not-send="true"
                                            href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com"
                                            target="_blank">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>></span>
                                        wrote:<br>
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                                                        <div>"The same
                                                          as all the
                                                          rest of the
                                                          crackpots in
                                                          the area that
                                                          claim to have
                                                          that ultimate
                                                          truth that no
                                                          one else does,
                                                          and if you
                                                          don't believe
                                                          everything
                                                          they say (and
                                                          tacitly: give
                                                          them money),
                                                          then you are
                                                          SOL for
                                                          eternity."<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                        </div>
                                                        You seem to take
                                                        great pains to
                                                        denigrate true
                                                        believers as if
                                                        they were evil
                                                        conspirators set
                                                        on bringing down
                                                        society for
                                                        their own
                                                        twisted
                                                        pleasures and
                                                        financial gain.<br>
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                                                  This particular group
                                                  doesn't strike me as
                                                  living high on the
                                                  hog, so I wouldn't
                                                  classify them with the
                                                  multimillion dollar
                                                  televangelists.  They
                                                  look more like a bunch
                                                  of regular Joes that
                                                  presumably truly
                                                  believe what they are
                                                  saying, and they care
                                                  strongly enough about
                                                  it to scrape enough
                                                  together to mass-mail
                                                  DVD's explaining their
                                                  beliefs.  I don't find
                                                  that so onerous, and
                                                  it can even be seen as
                                                  a caring gesture if
                                                  you look at it from
                                                  that perspective.  <br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  That being said, their
                                                  beliefs are so
                                                  dissimilar to my own
                                                  beliefs that it's like
                                                  we are on two
                                                  different planets
                                                  trying to communicate
                                                  without knowing the
                                                  others language.  My
                                                  own beliefs don't
                                                  require
                                                  evangelization, and I
                                                  often wish that other
                                                  religions didn't
                                                  require it, either. 
                                                  Nevertheless, I accept
                                                  their evangelism in
                                                  the same way that I
                                                  accept my friends
                                                  rantings about the
                                                  evils of Apple or my
                                                  other friends in-depth
                                                  descriptions of the
                                                  design and
                                                  construction of bee
                                                  hive boxes:
                                                  resignedly. 
                                                  Presumably that's how
                                                  my friends accept my
                                                  constant discussion of
                                                  various at-home
                                                  programming projects
                                                  I'm working on or my
                                                  rantings about climate
                                                  science.<br>
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                                                    Paul<br>
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