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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Here’s the link that goes directly to the .pdf file:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><a href="http://opencda.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/4d28b5a3768b7.pdf.pdf">http://opencda.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/4d28b5a3768b7.pdf.pdf</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Jay</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Sue Hovey [mailto:suehovey@moscow.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, November 02, 2011 11:32 PM<br><b>To:</b> Jay Borden<br><b>Cc:</b> Vision 2020<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] Fw: Idaho Falls Post Register<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Jay, I don’t want to get into the exchange here. It’s gone sideways for too long. But what I would like to do is read the Idaho Pork Report. Do you have a link? And no, I haven’t read all the emails, but I did read one which indicated a problem with one that was given. Thanks for doing my work for me. I want to see what they consider the pork in public education. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Sue H. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> <a href="mailto:jborden@datawedge.com" title="jborden@datawedge.com">Jay Borden</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>Sent:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> Wednesday, November 02, 2011 8:04 PM<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>To:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> <a href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com" title="donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">Donovan Arnold</a> ; <a href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com" title="thansen@moscow.com">Tom Hansen</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>Cc:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> <a href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com" title="Vision2020@moscow.com">Vision 2020</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>Subject:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> Re: [Vision2020] Fw: Idaho Falls Post Register<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>Wow… just wow… <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2;background:white'><![if !supportLists]><span style='color:black'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>1)<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='color:black'>Would you care to provide any data as far as how much money is lost due to “businesses that take government money and flee the country”? I’ll never say never, (I’m a big fan of the bell curve) but without any other data to go on, my gut tells me that it doesn’t begin to hold a candle to general government waste. (I won’t even ask for 6 links… )<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2;background:white'><![if !supportLists]><span style='color:black'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>2)<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='color:black'>By your reasoning (poo-pooing the Pork Report (which, BTW, DOES provide references to where they found their data), I would then assume that the education system is in tip-top shape, and therefore has no places in which fraud, waste, or otherwise unnecessary spending is occurring? <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2;background:white'><![if !supportLists]><span style='color:black'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>3)<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='color:black'>Also by you reasoning, since “Idaho doesn’t spend any money on health care”, all the fraud and wasted money talked about in the report doesn’t actually exist? (Or, is it not actually fraud since (you claim) no money is actually spent in that category?)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>Jay<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> Donovan Arnold [mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, November 02, 2011 7:12 PM<br><b>To:</b> Jay Borden; Tom Hansen<br><b>Cc:</b> lfalen; Art Deco; Vision 2020<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] Fw: Idaho Falls Post Register<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>Jay,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>You wrote,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>"</span><span style='font-size:7.5pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><span class=msid16980><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Didja actually READ the “2011 Pork Report”? 1/3 of the report deals with education…. the other 2/3’s deal with health care and public renewal and public works projects."</span></span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span class=msid16980><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Oh well, , yes, we certainly can call public health care pork too, can't we, I mean who needs that? But the point is kinda moot since Idaho doesn't spend money on public health care. </span></span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>You are also right about the government contracts, I looked on the Internet and there is no evidence of government contracts with businesses going bad. All the businesses that contract with the government are fully capable, don't lie, and always finish well under what they quoted. And certainly, never ever, has a business person completely made up the fact that they can produce something the government needed, taken the millions of dollars, and fled the country. It would never happen. Anyone that insists this is not that case definitely needs to supply at least 6 links to verify their claims, otherwise, it is just hogwash to believe such outlandish nonsense could happen. I am also one of those people that need proof via some website for everything regardless of how ridiculous taking the contrary side would sound to reason. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>Donovan Arnold<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> Jay Borden <jborden@datawedge.com><br><b>To:</b> Tom Hansen <thansen@moscow.com><br><b>Cc:</b> Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com>; lfalen <lfalen@turbonet.com>; Art Deco <deco@moscow.com>; Vision 2020 <Vision2020@moscow.com><br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, November 2, 2011 6:41 PM<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [Vision2020] Fw: Idaho Falls Post Register</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div id=yiv1796617459><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>You have given a link for the DOD’s Contract division… I assume in the hopes that I would do the leg work for you… which is exactly what you (and others) lambast Roger for. </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I suggest one of the following:</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>1)</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Provide the data requested to back up the statement.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>2)</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Recognize that opinions that lack factual data aren’t fact… they’re just OPINIONS.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Jay</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> Tom Hansen [mailto:thansen@moscow.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, November 02, 2011 5:13 PM<br><b>To:</b> Jay Borden<br><b>Cc:</b> Donovan Arnold; lfalen; Art Deco; Vision 2020<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] Fw: Idaho Falls Post Register</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>Mr. Borden -<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>Not ALL contracts at the following link are success stories. The names Halliburton and Blackwater come to mind.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>And guess who pays the bills.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>http://www.defense.gov/Contracts/default.aspx<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>Seeya round town, Moscow.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>Tom Hansen<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>Moscow, Idaho<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'><br>On Nov 2, 2011, at 5:01 PM, "Jay Borden" <<a href="mailto:jborden@datawedge.com" target="_blank">jborden@datawedge.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>1)</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Where are your facts and figures (and how common it is) about how much the government loses on private businesses inability to fulfill government contract obligations? </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>2)</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>A consumer votes with their feet… if a business winds up passing their errors onto to the customer, a customer is free to simply change vendors/providers and take their business to a more efficient enterprise. </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>3)</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Didja actually READ the “2011 Pork Report”? 1/3 of the report deals with education…. the other 2/3’s deal with health care and public renewal and public works projects. </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Jay</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> <a href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</a> [mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Donovan Arnold<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, November 02, 2011 3:56 PM<br><b>To:</b> lfalen; Art Deco; Vision 2020<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] Fw: Idaho Falls Post Register</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>Roger,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>In addition to the trillion dollar bailouts the taxpayers all the time have to pay for private business enterprises mistakes and inefficiencies. Businesses bid on government contracts and cannot fulfill the obligation and the taxpayer has to pay for it. This is common. And the consumer also has the costs of a business's errors passed on to them in products and services. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>As to the <i>Idaho Pork Report</i>, yeah, I guess if you are an Idaho Conservative Republican you would think there is a lot of government waste if you believe education has no real value. There are elementary, middle, and high schools in just about every town, some with many of them. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>Donovan Arnold<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><div style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> lfalen <<a href="mailto:lfalen@turbonet.com" target="_blank">lfalen@turbonet.com</a>><br><b>To:</b> Art Deco <<a href="mailto:deco@moscow.com" target="_blank">deco@moscow.com</a>>; Vision 2020 <<a href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">Vision2020@moscow.com</a>><br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, November 2, 2011 11:51 AM<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] Fw: Idaho Falls Post Register<br></span><span style='color:black'><br>I may have mistyped something. If you are really interested do a search on the Idaho Pork Report.<br>Roger<br>-----Original message-----<br>From: "Art Deco" <a href="mailto:deco@moscow.com" target="_blank">deco@moscow.com</a><br>Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2011 19:06:01 -0700<br>To: "Vision 2020" <a href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">Vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Fw: Idaho Falls Post Register<br><br>> This link is invalid.<br>> <br>> <br>> From: lfalen <br>> Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2011 3:31 PM<br>> To: Art Deco ; Vision 2020 <br>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Fw: Idaho Falls Post Register<br>> <br>> <br>> Check the Idaho Pork Report. You can find it at <a href="http://opencda.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/4d28b5aq3768b7.pdf.pdf" target="_blank">opencda.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/4d28b5aq3768b7.pdf.pdf</a><br>> Roger<br>> -----Original message-----<br>> From: "Art Deco" <a href="mailto:deco@moscow.com" target="_blank">deco@moscow.com</a><br>> Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 13:36:23 -0700<br>> To: "Vision 2020" <a href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">Vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Fw: Idaho Falls Post Register<br>> <br>> > Roger,<br>> > <br>> > Tell us exactly where and exactly how much there are in those places of "a lot of waste in state government and plenty of places cuts can be made."<br>> > <br>> > If you cannot do this, then you are just promulgating more Tea Bagger bullshit. You then are part of the problem, but not part of the solution.<br>> > <br>> > w.<br>> > <br>> > <br>> > <br>> > <br>> > <br>> > From: lfalen <br>> > Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 11:15 AM<br>> > To: Shirley Ringo ; Vision 2020 <br>> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Fw: Idaho Falls Post Register<br>> > <br>> > <br>> > I think that there is a lot of waste in state government and plenty of places cuts can be made. I do not think that the care and treatment of the menally ill is one of them.<br>> > Roger<br>> > -----Original message-----<br>> > From: "Shirley Ringo" <a href="mailto:ringoshirl@moscow.com" target="_blank">ringoshirl@moscow.com</a><br>> > Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 07:44:55 -0700<br>> > To: "Vision 2020" <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>> > Subject: [Vision2020] Fw: Idaho Falls Post Register<br>> > <br>> > > <br>> > > Visionaries:<br>> > > <br>> > > The Idaho Legislature's "cost containment" for Medicaid programs and help for those with disabilities will prove to be anything but that.<br>> > > <br>> > > Shirley<br>> > > <br>> > > <br>> > > <br>> > > <br>> > > <br>> > > <br>> > > Idaho's ugly 'new normal'<br>> > > <br>> > > Corey Taule<br>> > > <br>> > > ----------------------------------------------------------<br>> > > <br>> > > Ugly, sad and potentially tragic as it was, the recent shootout between local law enforcement and Scott Daniel Parker wasn't surprising. The 911 call from Parker's mother indicated her son was mentally ill and in crisis. Unfortunately, we've been down that road before.<br>> > > <br>> > > In September 2010, a mentally ill man shot Ryan Mitchell in the back as he left a Pocatello coffee shop. The shooter, Gerald Durk Simpson, had been told a few months earlier that because of budget cuts, the state could no longer afford to treat his mental illness.<br>> > > <br>> > > That jibed with what the State Planning Council on Mental Health told Idaho's lawmakers in February 2010. Cutting mental health funding, this panel of experts said, would result in three things:<br>> > > <br>> > > - More suicides.<br>> > > <br>> > > - More violent encounters between the mentally ill and police.<br>> > > <br>> > > - More mentally ill folks landing in emergency rooms.<br>> > > <br>> > > A check with local law enforcement shows this panel knew what it was talking about. Bonneville County Coroner Jonathan Walker said suicides and attempts are up, something he attributes directly to a reduction in available services.<br>> > > <br>> > > Bonneville County Sheriff Paul Wilde noticed his deputies were dealing more frequently with the mentally ill. So, he checked the numbers. What Wilde discovered was startling. From January to October of 2008, officers responded to 61 calls concerning psychiatric episodes or suicide attempts. That same time period in 2009 resulted in 118 calls. That jumped to 139 last year. So far this year, officers have responded to 256 calls.<br>> > > <br>> > > Sometimes those calls result in arrests. A severely mentally ill inmate needs to be segregated and watched constantly. Often, however, no arrest is made. But for their own good, the person with mental illness needs to be hospitalized.<br>> > > <br>> > > Eight years ago, a busy week for the Bonneville County Prosecutor's Office meant handling one or two civil commitment cases. But when Bruce Pickett became prosecutor, he noticed civil commitments were on the rise. So, he began tracking them. So far this year, Bonneville County has averaged nearly four per week.<br>> > > <br>> > > Each case must be judged by two state-designated examiners. Because many of these folks are indigent, taxpayers bear those costs, plus hospital and doctor's fees. The increase in cases means the Behavioral Health Center often can't handle them all. Several times this year, deputies have transported mentally ill folks who committed no crimes to hospitals in Pocatello, Twin Falls and Boise. So, cutting budgets on the front end is resulting in more expense -- not to mention a healthy dose of human misery -- on the back end.<br>> > > <br>> > > Jessica Hill isn't surprised. A licensed social worker, Hill said the agency she works for has fewer clients because of budget cuts. The need for services, however, has not gone down.<br>> > > <br>> > > But Hill sees this from another perspective. She's also an Idaho Falls police officer and SWAT team member. Too often, Hill said, officers encounter the mentally ill in full crisis mode. Many of these folks, Hill said, tell police they no longer qualify for services.<br>> > > <br>> > > "I knew this was going to happen," Hill said. "It's not a surprise to me whatsoever."<br>> > > <br>> > > Idaho Gov. C.L. "Butch" Otter has overseen a massive reduction in state government, something he describes as "the new normal."<br>> > > <br>> > > Let's be clear, then, about what "the new normal" really looks like to those who get to deal with the consequences of the politicians' numbers crunching:<br>> > > <br>> > > - It looks like Gerald Simpson, a man with no history of violence, opening fire on a stranger.<br>> > > <br>> > > - It looks like Scott Daniel Parker leaving the house armed with automatic weapons and mad as hell.<br>> > > <br>> > > - It looks like the guy using his own feces to draw pictures on jailhouse walls.<br>> > > <br>> > > - It looks like the little old lady who once had a social worker to help keep her on medications, but who now must go it alone. Sometimes that works. Sometimes a sheriff's deputy wades through months of accumulated garbage and animal waste in her living room so he can drive her to the only hospital with room to treat her, in Boise.<br>> > > <br>> > > Idaho is building a considerable budget surplus. Already, some Republicans are saying they want to hand it over to corporations and rich folks through income tax cuts.<br>> > > <br>> > > The first job of government, however, is to protect its citizenry.<br>> > > <br>> > > Clearly, Otter's "new normal" isn't doing that. 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