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Can you see that people with more empathy may disagree with you completely? I guess I'm assuming that you cannot empathize with those on the receiving end of these slurs, or maybe don't understand the baggage these things carry. I suppose you might, but don't think it's important enough to cause inconvenience to those who might not want to change their address from 'Niggerhead' to 'Pheasant Meadows.'<br><br>I don't think I'd use the law to force someone to change the name. But I do feel free to make assumptions about the people who could have walked by that stone and not seen anything wrong with it. Maybe that applies more to Perry's parents than to him, I don't know.<br><br>I think it's worth considering how these insults allow us to make people 'the other,' and how from there we can get to treating them as less than human, and where that can lead. Social pressure to stop this, to say 'It's not all right to do that,' is a good thing. <br><br>Sunil<br><br><div><hr id="stopSpelling">Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 07:29:48 -0700<br>From: godshatter@yahoo.com<br>To: sunilramalingam@hotmail.com<br>CC: vision2020@moscow.com<br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Rick Perry's Newest Problem<br><br>
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Of course I'm not saying that they shouldn't be offended or
insulted. I'm saying that shouldn't be enough to force the people
who named the place to have to change it, either through the law or
through social pressure. Can't we live in a world that has things
others find offensive? People fight to keep books containing
material that others find offensive from being banned, why is it
different with mascots or place names?<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
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On 10/03/2011 09:50 PM, Sunil Ramalingam wrote:
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Paul,<br>
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Just so I'm clear, are you saying that African-Americans, or
anyone else, should not be offended or insulted by someone
naming their place "Niggerhead?"<br>
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Is that it?<br>
<br>
Sunil<br>
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<hr id="ecxstopSpelling">Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 21:38:31 -0700<br>
From: <a class="ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a><br>
To: <a class="ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:kfreitag@roadrunner.com">kfreitag@roadrunner.com</a><br>
CC: <a class="ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Rick Perry's Newest Problem<br>
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White males are constitutionally unable to understand any
aspect of racism, sexism or discrimination. It's true. They
can't dance, either.<br>
<br>
I still think it's a bad idea to continue this Political
Correctness path that we're on. <br>
<br>
Paul<br>
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On 10/03/2011 08:43 PM, Kris Freitag wrote:
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<div style="font:10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a title="thansen@moscow.com" href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">Tom Hansen</a> ; <a title="kmmos1@frontier.com" href="mailto:kmmos1@frontier.com">Kenneth Marcy</a> </div>
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<div style="font:10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Monday,
October 03, 2011 9:23 AM</div>
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<div><span>My sometimes roundabout way of making a point
isn't endearing me to some of the readership out
there in Viz-land, so I'll just come out and make my
point. Which is that almost everything is offensive
to someone on some level, and those things that are
not currently offensive may become offensive in the
future because language and culture changes. We
have two choices as I see it - either we whitewash
everything to the point that we might as well not
have mascots or place names more descriptive than
"Idaho Creek 1347"</span><span class="ecxtab">, or
we grow a thicker skin and not get so worked up
about these kinds of things. <br>
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<hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">From:</span></b>
Tom Hansen <a class="ecxmoz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com"><thansen@moscow.com></a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b>
Kenneth Marcy <a class="ecxmoz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:kmmos1@frontier.com"><kmmos1@frontier.com></a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc:</span></b>
<a class="ecxmoz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">"vision2020@moscow.com"</a>
<a class="ecxmoz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><vision2020@moscow.com></a><br>
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Monday, October 3, 2011 9:08 AM<br>
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Re: [Vision2020] Rick Perry's Newest Problem<br>
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Mr. Rumelhart -<br>
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If victims of bear/cougar attacks or descendants of
fourth- or fifth-century Roman ancestry feel
disrespected by the University of California
(Berkeley) mascot . . . or the Washington State
University mascot . . . or the University of Idaho
mascot . . . like us, they are free to exercise
their first amendment right and loudly (and proudly)
express their discomfort with those mascots.<br>
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Tom "not holding his breath" Hansen<br>
Moscow, Idaho<br>
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On Oct 3, 2011, at 8:49, Kenneth Marcy <<a href="mailto:kmmos1@frontier.com">kmmos1@frontier.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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> On Monday, October 03, 2011 07:26:10 AM Paul
Rumelhart wrote:<br>
>> It makes you wonder if someday descendants
of the people murdered by an<br>
>> ancient East Germanic tribe when they
sacked Rome and Carthage might<br>
>> someday look in horror upon a small college
town in Idaho that had the<br>
>> gall to name their sports team after their
killers.<br>
> <br>
> The biggest problem with the Vandals sacking
Rome is that they didn't do it <br>
> often enough. It's too bad they didn't get to
Nicaea and Constantinople in the <br>
> century and a quarter prior to the Roman sack,
as that may have prevented a <br>
> lot of grief all around.<br>
> <br>
>> Same thing with people that have been
mauled by cougars or bears.<br>
> <br>
> The descendants have less about which to
complain in face of the realities of <br>
> their ancient enemies being hunted and heated
to extinction.<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Ken<br>
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