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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Donovan, you summed up in an eloquent and brief statement what I have been trying in a very wordy way to say. Thank you!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Rose<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> vision2020-bounces@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Donovan Arnold<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, October 03, 2011 10:13 AM<br><b>To:</b> Paul Rumelhart; Tom Hansen; Kenneth Marcy<br><b>Cc:</b> vision2020@moscow.com<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] Rick Perry's Newest Problem<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:18.0pt;color:black'>Paul,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:18.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:18.0pt;color:black'>So what you are saying is that there is nothing wrong with the name of a mountain that uses two gs to spell the words African descent, there is just something wrong with people that are offended by it?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:18.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:18.0pt;color:black'>I disagree. I think the whole point of literacy, including cultural literacy, is not to continue to repeat the same mistakes as our predecessors. It is not about who has the thickest skin, it is about not following the ideas and ways of those with the thickest skulls. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:18.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:18.0pt;color:black'>Donovan Arnold<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:18.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> Paul Rumelhart <godshatter@yahoo.com><br><b>To:</b> Tom Hansen <thansen@moscow.com>; Kenneth Marcy <kmmos1@frontier.com><br><b>Cc:</b> "vision2020@moscow.com" <vision2020@moscow.com><br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, October 3, 2011 10:23 AM<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] Rick Perry's Newest Problem</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div id=yiv483886036><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>My sometimes roundabout way of making a point isn't endearing me to some of the readership out there in Viz-land, so I'll just come out and make my point. Which is that almost everything is offensive to someone on some level, and those things that are not currently offensive may become offensive in the future because language and culture changes. We have two choices as I see it - either we whitewash everything to the point that we might as well not have mascots or place names more descriptive than "Idaho Creek 1347"<span class=yiv483886036tab>, or we grow a thicker skin and not get so worked up about these kinds of things. </span><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span class=yiv483886036tab><span style='color:black'>Paul</span></span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> Tom Hansen <thansen@moscow.com><br><b>To:</b> Kenneth Marcy <kmmos1@frontier.com><br><b>Cc:</b> "vision2020@moscow.com" <vision2020@moscow.com><br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, October 3, 2011 9:08 AM<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] Rick Perry's Newest Problem<br></span><span style='color:black'><br>Mr. Rumelhart -<br><br>If victims of bear/cougar attacks or descendants of fourth- or fifth-century Roman ancestry feel disrespected by the University of California (Berkeley) mascot . . . or the Washington State University mascot . . . or the University of Idaho mascot . . . like us, they are free to exercise their first amendment right and loudly (and proudly) express their discomfort with those mascots.<br><br>Tom "not holding his breath" Hansen<br>Moscow, Idaho<br><br><br><br><br><br>On Oct 3, 2011, at 8:49, Kenneth Marcy <<a href="mailto:kmmos1@frontier.com" target="_blank">kmmos1@frontier.com</a>> wrote:<br><br>> On Monday, October 03, 2011 07:26:10 AM Paul Rumelhart wrote:<br>>> It makes you wonder if someday descendants of the people murdered by an<br>>> ancient East Germanic tribe when they sacked Rome and Carthage might<br>>> someday look in horror upon a small college town in Idaho that had the<br>>> gall to name their sports team after their killers.<br>> <br>> The biggest problem with the Vandals sacking Rome is that they didn't do it <br>> often enough. It's too bad they didn't get to Nicaea and Constantinople in the <br>> century and a quarter prior to the Roman sack, as that may have prevented a <br>> lot of grief all around.<br>> <br>>> Same thing with people that have been mauled by cougars or bears.<br>> <br>> The descendants have less about which to complain in face of the realities of <br>> their ancient enemies being hunted and heated to extinction.<br>> <br>> <br>> Ken<br>> <br>> =======================================================<br>> List services made available by First Step Internet,<br>> serving the communities of the <span class=mark>Palouse</span> since 1994.<br>> http://www.fsr.net<br>> <span class=mark>mailto</span>:<a href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">Vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>> =======================================================<br><br>=======================================================<br>List services made available by First Step Internet,<br>serving the communities of the <span class=mark>Palouse</span> since 1994.<br> <a href="http://www.fsr.net/" target="_blank">http://www.fsr.net</a><br> <span class=mark>mailto</span>:<a href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">Vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>=======================================================<br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='color:black'><br>=======================================================<br>List services made available by First Step Internet,<br>serving the communities of the <span class=mark>Palouse</span> since 1994.<br> <a href="http://www.fsr.net/" target="_blank">http://www.fsr.net</a><br> <span class=mark>mailto</span>:<a href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com">Vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>=======================================================<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></body></html>