<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div style="RIGHT: auto"><SPAN style="RIGHT: auto">Evolution is not an <SPAN style="RIGHT: auto" id=misspell-0><SPAN>atheistic</SPAN></SPAN> theory. It is a theory strongly supported by empirical data. There is nothing in evolution that states there is no God or there is a God anymore than the theory of gravity is <SPAN style="RIGHT: auto" id=misspell-1><SPAN>atheistic</SPAN></SPAN>. Scientific method cannot prove there is or is not a God, it is impart<VAR id=yui-ie-cursor></VAR>ial. <SPAN style="RIGHT: auto" id=misspell-2><SPAN style="RIGHT: auto">Agnostic</SPAN></SPAN> is the only belief system supported by <SPAN style="RIGHT: auto" id=misspell-3><SPAN>empirical</SPAN></SPAN> data. <SPAN style="RIGHT: auto" id=misspell-4><SPAN>Atheism</SPAN></SPAN> is a faith based system, just like all religions. The only difference
is that they have faith that God doesn't exist instead of that he does. </SPAN></div>
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<div style="RIGHT: auto"><SPAN style="RIGHT: auto">Donovan Arnold</SPAN></div>
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<DIV style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px" class=hr contentEditable=false readonly="true"></DIV><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> Ted Moffett <starbliss@gmail.com><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> Moscow Vision 2020 <vision2020@moscow.com><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Saturday, September 24, 2011 1:45 PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> [Vision2020] Baffling <SPAN id=misspell-6><SPAN id=misspell-1 class=mark>CERN</SPAN></SPAN> Results Show Neutrinos Faster Than Light Speed<BR></FONT><BR>Warp nine, captain!<BR><BR>Given anthropogenic global warming is a hoax, promoted by "socialist<BR>European scientists"<BR><A
href="http://www.lahontanvalleynews.com/article/20070207/Opinion/102070038" target=_blank>http://www.lahontanvalleynews.com/article/20070207/Opinion/102070038</A><BR>along with Darwin's atheist theory of evolution, the deniers of the<BR>credibility of science may pounce on this recent faster than light<BR>speed finding to declare that Einstein's theory of relativity is a<BR>fraud...<BR><BR>Governor Perry, in his presidential bid, can hold more prayer <SPAN id=misspell-7><SPAN id=misspell-2 class=mark>rallys</SPAN></SPAN><BR>to promise the <SPAN id=misspell-8><SPAN id=misspell-3 class=mark>hoi</SPAN></SPAN> <SPAN id=misspell-9><SPAN id=misspell-4 class=mark>polloi</SPAN></SPAN> the absolute certainty of God, unlike the<BR>world of science that does not offer absolute unquestioning certainty<BR>on anything empirical.... Not that Perry would phrase it that way, of<BR>course.<BR><BR><A
href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2011/sep/22/faster-than-light-particles-neutrinos" target=_blank>http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2011/sep/22/faster-than-light-particles-neutrinos</A><BR><BR>Faster than light particles found, claim scientists<BR><BR>Particle physicists detect neutrinos <SPAN id=misspell-10><SPAN id=misspell-5 class=mark>travelling</SPAN></SPAN> faster than light, a<BR>feat forbidden by Einstein's theory of special relativity<BR><BR>Ian Sample, science correspondent guardian.co.uk,<BR>Thursday 22 September 2011 18.32 EDT<BR><BR>It is a concept that forms a cornerstone of our understanding of the<BR>universe and the concept of time – nothing can travel faster than the<BR>speed of light.<BR><BR>But now it seems that researchers working in one of the world's<BR>largest physics laboratories, under a mountain in central Italy, have<BR>recorded particles <SPAN id=misspell-11><SPAN id=misspell-6 class=mark>travelling</SPAN></SPAN> at
a speed that is supposedly forbidden<BR>by Einstein's theory of special relativity.<BR><BR>Scientists at the Gran <SPAN id=misspell-12><SPAN id=misspell-7 class=mark>Sasso</SPAN></SPAN> facility will unveil evidence on Friday<BR>that raises the troubling possibility of a way to send information<BR>back in time, blurring the line between past and present and wreaking<BR>havoc with the fundamental principle of cause and effect.<BR><BR>They will announce the result at a special seminar at <SPAN id=misspell-13><SPAN id=misspell-8 class=mark>Cern</SPAN></SPAN> – the<BR>European particle physics laboratory – timed to coincide with the<BR>publication of a research paper (<SPAN id=misspell-14><SPAN id=misspell-9 class=mark>pdf</SPAN></SPAN>) describing the experiment.<BR><BR>Researchers on the Opera (Oscillation Project with Emulsion-<SPAN id=misspell-15><SPAN id=misspell-10 class=mark>tRacking</SPAN></SPAN><BR>Apparatus) experiment recorded the arrival
times of ghostly subatomic<BR>particles called neutrinos sent from <SPAN id=misspell-16><SPAN id=misspell-11 class=mark>Cern</SPAN></SPAN> on a 730km journey through<BR>the Earth to the Gran <SPAN id=misspell-17><SPAN id=misspell-12 class=mark>Sasso</SPAN></SPAN> lab.<BR><BR>The trip would take a beam of light 2.4 milliseconds to complete, but<BR>after running the experiment for three years and timing the arrival of<BR>15,000 neutrinos, the scientists discovered that the particles arrived<BR>at Gran <SPAN id=misspell-18><SPAN id=misspell-13 class=mark>Sasso</SPAN></SPAN> sixty billionths of a second earlier, with an error<BR>margin of plus or minus 10 billionths of a second.<BR><BR>The measurement amounts to the neutrinos <SPAN id=misspell-19><SPAN id=misspell-14 class=mark>travelling</SPAN></SPAN> faster than the<BR>speed of light by a fraction of 20 parts per million. Since the speed<BR>of light is 299,792,458 <SPAN id=misspell-20><SPAN id=misspell-15
class=mark>metres</SPAN></SPAN> per second, the neutrinos were<BR>evidently <SPAN id=misspell-21><SPAN id=misspell-16 class=mark>travelling</SPAN></SPAN> at 299,798,454 <SPAN id=misspell-22><SPAN id=misspell-17 class=mark>metres</SPAN></SPAN> per second.<BR><BR>The result is so unlikely that even the research team is being<BR>cautious with its interpretation. Physicists said they would be<BR><SPAN id=misspell-23><SPAN id=misspell-18 class=mark>sceptical</SPAN></SPAN> of the finding until other laboratories confirmed the<BR>result.<BR><BR>Antonio <SPAN id=misspell-24><SPAN id=misspell-19 class=mark>Ereditato</SPAN></SPAN>, coordinator of the Opera collaboration, told the<BR>Guardian: "We are very much astonished by this result, but a result is<BR>never a discovery until other people confirm it.<BR><BR>"When you get such a result you want to make sure you made no<BR>mistakes, that there are no nasty things going on you didn't think of.<BR>We spent months
and months doing checks and we have not been able to<BR>find any errors.<BR><BR>"If there is a problem, it must be a tough, nasty effect, because<BR>trivial things we are clever enough to rule out."<BR><BR>The Opera group said it hoped the physics community would <SPAN id=misspell-25><SPAN id=misspell-20 class=mark>scrutinise</SPAN></SPAN><BR>the result and help uncover any flaws in the measurement, or verify it<BR>with their own experiments.<BR><BR><SPAN id=misspell-26><SPAN id=misspell-21 class=mark>Subir</SPAN></SPAN> <SPAN id=misspell-27><SPAN id=misspell-22 class=mark>Sarkar</SPAN></SPAN>, head of particle theory at Oxford University, said: "If<BR>this is proved to be true it would be a massive, massive event. It is<BR>something nobody was expecting.<BR><BR>"The constancy of the speed of light essentially underpins our<BR>understanding of space and time and causality, which is the fact that<BR>cause comes before effect."<BR><BR>The key point
underlying causality is that the laws of physics as we<BR>know them dictate that information cannot be communicated faster than<BR>the speed of light in a vacuum, added <SPAN id=misspell-28><SPAN id=misspell-23 class=mark>Sarkar</SPAN></SPAN>.<BR><BR>"Cause cannot come after effect and that is absolutely fundamental to<BR>our construction of the physical universe. If we do not have<BR>causality, we are buggered."<BR><BR>The Opera experiment detects neutrinos as they strike 150,000 "bricks"<BR>of photographic emulsion films interleaved with lead plates. The<BR>detector weighs a total of 1300 tonnes.<BR><BR>Despite the marginal increase on the speed of light observed by<BR><SPAN id=misspell-29><SPAN id=misspell-24 class=mark>Ereditato's</SPAN></SPAN> team, the result is intriguing because its statistical<BR>significance, the measure by which particle physics discoveries stand<BR>and fall, is so strong.<BR><BR>Physicists can claim a discovery if the
chances of their result being<BR>a fluke of statistics are greater than five standard deviations, or<BR>less than one in a few million. The Gran <SPAN id=misspell-30><SPAN id=misspell-25 class=mark>Sasso</SPAN></SPAN> team's result is six<BR>standard deviations.<BR><BR><SPAN id=misspell-31><SPAN id=misspell-26 class=mark>Ereditato</SPAN></SPAN> said the team would not claim a discovery because the result<BR>was so radical. "Whenever you touch something so fundamental, you have<BR>to be much more prudent," he said.<BR><BR>Alan <SPAN id=misspell-32><SPAN id=misspell-27 class=mark>Kostelecky</SPAN></SPAN>, an expert in the possibility of faster-than-light<BR>processes at Indiana University, said that while physicists would<BR>await confirmation of the result, it was none the less exciting.<BR><BR>"It's such a dramatic result it would be difficult to accept without<BR>others replicating it, but there will be enormous interest in this,"<BR>he told the
Guardian.<BR><BR>One theory <SPAN id=misspell-33><SPAN id=misspell-28 class=mark>Kostelecky</SPAN></SPAN> and his colleagues put forward in 1985 predicted<BR>that neutrinos could travel faster than the speed of light by<BR>interacting with an unknown field that lurks in the vacuum.<BR><BR>"With this kind of background, it is not necessarily the case that the<BR>limiting speed in nature is the speed of light," he said. "It might<BR>actually be the speed of neutrinos and light goes more slowly."<BR><BR>Neutrinos are mysterious particles. They have a minuscule mass, no<BR>electric charge, and pass through almost any material as though it was<BR>not there.<BR><BR><SPAN id=misspell-34><SPAN id=misspell-29 class=mark>Kostelecky</SPAN></SPAN> said that if the result was verified – a big if – it might<BR>pave the way to a grand theory that marries gravity with quantum<BR>mechanics, a puzzle that has defied physicists for nearly a century.<BR><BR>"If this is
confirmed, this is the first evidence for a crack in the<BR>structure of physics as we know it that could provide a clue to<BR>constructing such a unified theory," <SPAN id=misspell-35><SPAN id=misspell-30 class=mark>Kostelecky</SPAN></SPAN> said.<BR><BR>Heinrich <SPAN id=misspell-36><SPAN id=misspell-31 class=mark>Paes</SPAN></SPAN>, a physicist at Dortmund University, has developed<BR>another theory that could explain the result. The neutrinos may be<BR>taking a shortcut through space-time, by <SPAN id=misspell-37><SPAN id=misspell-32 class=mark>travelling</SPAN></SPAN> from <SPAN id=misspell-38><SPAN id=misspell-33 class=mark>Cern</SPAN></SPAN> to Gran<BR><SPAN id=misspell-39><SPAN id=misspell-34 class=mark>Sasso</SPAN></SPAN> through extra dimensions. "That can make it look like a particle<BR>has gone faster than the speed of light when it hasn't," he said.<BR><BR>But Susan Cartwright, senior lecturer in particle astrophysics at<BR>Sheffield
University, said: "Neutrino experimental results are not<BR>historically all that reliable, so the words 'don't hold your breath'<BR>do spring to mind when you hear very counter-intuitive results like<BR>this."<BR><BR>Teams at two experiments known as T2K in Japan and MINOS near Chicago<BR>in the US will now attempt to replicate the finding. The MINOS<BR>experiment saw hints of neutrinos moving at faster than the speed of<BR>light in 2007 but has yet to confirm them.<BR><BR>• This article was amended on 23 September 2011 to clarify the<BR>relevance of the speed of light to causality.<BR>------------------------------------------<BR>Vision2020 Post: Ted Moffett<BR><BR>=======================================================<BR>List services made available by First Step Internet,<BR>serving the communities of the <SPAN id=misspell-41><SPAN id=misspell-36 class=mark>Palouse</SPAN></SPAN> since 1994.<BR> <A
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