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Saundra,<br><br>Not trying to revive this thread, but yes, I do care about your qualification below, and I take you at your word.<br><br>Sunil<br><br><div><hr id="stopSpelling">From: v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm<br>To: sunilramalingam@hotmail.com; godshatter@yahoo.com<br>CC: vision2020@moscow.com<br>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Hypocrisy (was RE: September 11th Memorial Events)<br>Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 13:12:54 -0700<br><br>
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</style><div class="ecxWordSection1"><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Sunil,</span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">You wrote:</span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">“</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">No, it's not clearer because you started by misrepresenting what Paul was saying, as he's already pointed out. Since you ignored that point in your reaction to his post, I'll bring it up again.”</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"></span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">That’s a valid criticism with some qualification you may or may not care about.</span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Somehow, I missed Wayne’s post with the crackpot comment – I didn’t get that email & it wasn’t included at the bottom of Paul’s response. And, due to the html formatting of Paul’s response with no quotes to clarify who was saying what <b>as well as more significantly poor reading on my part</b>, I completely missed that the preceding paragraph wasn’t Paul’s writing but rather something Paul was responding to. <b>The fault there clearly lies with me</b> – when I went looking for Wayne’s post last night in the online V2020 archive, I also found Paul’s response in plain text, and in plain text, it was clear as day text who wrote what. My apologies to Paul & to everyone else for not reading more carefully & catching that.</span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I hope you can understand now that my misrepresentation wasn’t intentional and why Paul’s “Jim Wilson is nice & respectful” comments incorrectly seemed like a non sequitur to me. Additionally, my understanding going back a couple/few years is that Jim Wilson really doesn’t have anything to do with the annual block party – I was told that by one of the Nuart volunteers back when Jim Wilson (mostly) retired.</span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">However, </span></b><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">when I responded Tuesday to your email, Sunil, I <b>hadn’t seen</b> Wayne’s “crackpot” email & Paul didn’t post his clarification until Wednesday -- the day <b>following</b> my response. I don’t think you’re being fair in accusing me of “ignoring” Paul’s clarification before he posted it. Now, if I missed something else before that, please feel free to point it out to me.</span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">You also wrote:</span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">“</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">But I still like Jim. I don't agree with him and don't endorse his views, but I like him. It's how I feel, independent of my beliefs.”</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"></span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Yes, you’ve made that quite clear now as before. Each of us is entitled to our opinions. Of course.</span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Saundra</span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Moscow, ID</span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do nothing.</span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">~ Edmund Burke</span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> vision2020-bounces@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Sunil Ramalingam<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 15, 2011 6:42 AM<br><b>Cc:</b> vision 2020<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] Hypocrisy (was RE: September 11th Memorial Events)</span></p></div></div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"> </p><div><div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Saundra,<br><br>No, it's not clearer because you started by misrepresenting what Paul was saying, as he's already pointed out. Since you ignored that point in your reaction to his post, I'll bring it up again. <br><br>You just wrote, <span style="color:black">"Sunil, you asked where I was “going with this,” and in a nutshell, Paul’s argument that the anti-choice block party on 9/11 <b>must</b> be OK because Jim Wilson is “nice” and “respectful” is a non sequitur logical fallacy."<br><br>Well, of course! And you can say stuff like that all day if you make things up and claim people said them. But Paul didn't argue that the party (he didn't call it 'anti-choice,' but you know that) must be OK because he thought Jim Wilson is 'an extremely nice and respectful individual.'<br><br>That's not the premise of Paul's argument.</span> It never was. The logical fallacy is of your making, not his.<br><span style="color:black"><br>He said those words after Wayne referred to Jim as a 'crackpot' and 'now gaga.' He had already stated his view that the party didn't bother him the day before.<br><br>You've given your reasons for your opinion of Jim. It's quite clear now, as it was before, that you don't like or respect him, or the Nuart ministry. And I'm not trying to argue with you about your views. And if every claim you make is true, they I don't agree with what they've done. <br><br>But I still like Jim. I don't agree with him and don't endorse his views, but I like him. It's how I feel, independent of my beliefs. <br></span></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><br></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">Sunil</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""></span></p><div><div class="ecxMsoNormal" style="text-align:center" align="center"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""><hr id="ecxstopSpelling" align="center" size="2" width="100%"></span></div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From: <a href="mailto:v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm">v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm</a><br>To: <a href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com">sunilramalingam@hotmail.com</a>; <a href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>; <a href="mailto:suehovey@moscow.com">suehovey@moscow.com</a>======</span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div> </div></body>
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