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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Hello, Sunshinydays55,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>What is it that makes you afraid/unwilling to sign your name? It’s easy to hide behind a perky nickname, and yet there is something so sadly pathetic about anonymous contributors. I’m guessing you have a reason to remain anonymous, but, of course it can’t be because you have a reputation to protect – that went out the window when you forgot to sign your name.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Rose Huskey<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com">vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</a> <a href="mailto:[mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com]">[mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com]</a> <b>On Behalf Of </b>A B<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 14, 2011 4:03 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] Hypocrisy<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>In re: to Paul and Sunil...<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>So, if Saundra doesn't agree with you, you get a verbal enema? Just making sure those are the rules.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>Based on her posts, she obviously knows everything, is right about everything, is good at "keeping tabs" around town and making sure that she gets up in your business if you step out of her proverbial line, she will cut off your balls (not literally of course) with her sarcasm when it fits her, and she apparently is a psychic as she knows things that no member of the general public could possibly know. BTW, when she uses "IMHO" I giggle because there is nothing humble that has ever come from her, from what I have read.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>For now, I will watch my viz2020 back as I wouldn't want to get on her bad side. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>It must be good to be King in the facist state of Viz2020 where people should apparently only say what is pre-approved.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>AB<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> Ted Moffett <<a href="mailto:starbliss@gmail.com">starbliss@gmail.com</a>><br><b>To:</b> Paul Rumelhart <<a href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> Moscow Vision 2020 <<a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a>><br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 14, 2011 2:53 PM<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] Hypocrisy<br></span><span style='color:black'><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p><div id=yiv1323161956><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 11:58 AM, Paul Rumelhart <<a href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com" target="_blank">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>I'm not trying to score points or beat my viewpoint into others. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>------------------<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>Wow! <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>When you once posted a video related to anthropogenic climate change, and I posted Bill McKibben's response to this video, you condescendingly dismissed my post and McKibben's response, because, as you phrased it, "If I had wanted to know what Bill McKibben thought about it, I'd either have asked him or googled it." <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>In this exchange you clearly wanted the responses to comply with your dictates! You even expressed this condescension by lamenting how hard it is to get a discussion going, expressed in the subject heading, as can be read below referencing Vision2020 posts from this discussion.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>As far as I am concerned, offering McKibben's response, from a environmental scholar very knowledgeable about climate change, to the video you posted, is offering worthwhile commentary, that others also might have found worth considering. Not for you, it appeared. You demanded I give my direct impressions of the video, dismissing McKibben's response. Talk about beating your viewpoint into others, while ignoring the commentary of a scholar whose views on climate change issues are worth considering, well, that is if you were not so immersed in a confirmation bias filtered Weltanschauung on climate science!<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>[Vision2020] "Hard to Get Discussion Going?" Re: Bill McKibben Commentary Re: 10:10 "no pressure" video<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'><br><a href="http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2010-October/071816.html" target="_blank">http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2010-October/071816.html</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><span style='color:black'>Paul Rumelhart</span></b><span style='color:black'> <a href="mailto:vision2020%40moscow.com?Subject=%5BVision2020%5D%20%22Hard%20to%20Get%20Discussion%20Going%3F%22%20Re%3A%20Bill%20McKibben%0A%20Commentary%20Re%3A%2010%3A10%20%22no%20pressure%22%20video&In-Reply-To=AANLkTikW2RDQyzcXyZO_Rb0hS3nwUVBBCEy1uvSj9tw7%40mail.gmail.com" target="_blank" title="[Vision2020] "Hard to Get Discussion Going?" Re: Bill McKibben Commentary Re: 10:10 "no pressure" video">godshatter at yahoo.com </a><br><i>Tue Oct 5 16:59:56 PDT 2010</i> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'><br>Actually, I was looking for your opinion (and the opinions of others on <br>this list). If I had wanted to know what Bill McKibben thought about <br>it, I'd either have asked him or googled it.<br><br>---------------------<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>And in another post in this discussion regarding this video on anthropogenic climate change:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>Vision2020] Bill McKibben: "The Climate Skeptics Can Crow" Re: 10:10 "no pressure" video<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'><a href="http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2010-October/071784.html" target="_blank">http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2010-October/071784.html</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><span style='color:black'>Paul Rumelhart</span></b><span style='color:black'> <a href="mailto:vision2020%40moscow.com?Subject=%5BVision2020%5D%20Bill%20McKibben%3A%20%22The%20Climate%20Skeptics%20Can%20Crow%22%20Re%3A%0A%2010%3A10%20%22no%20pressure%22%20video&In-Reply-To=AANLkTinE%2Bq_J_E%3Do8YmZEFDnBDa%3Da4O%2B72eewjZ6%3DKU1%40mail.gmail.com" target="_blank" title="[Vision2020] Bill McKibben: "The Climate Skeptics Can Crow" Re: 10:10 "no pressure" video">godshatter at yahoo.com </a><br><i>Mon Oct 4 11:43:53 PDT 2010</i> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>*goes down on his knees throwing his hands up in the air*<br><br>I just wanted somebody to watch the (expletive-deleted) film, for <br>sobbing out loud!<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'><br>And, if you (or anyone else) is not too busy, and it doesn't take too <br>much time out of your day, and it doesn't conflict with your religious <br>convictions, and you just happen to be in the mood, please watch the <br>film and let me know what you think.<br>------------------------------------------<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>Vision2020 Post: Ted Moffett<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 11:58 AM, Paul Rumelhart <<a href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com" target="_blank">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'><br>I've never claimed to be Jesus Christ or Gandhi. Of course I have issues of my own.<br><br>I find climate change interesting. I read up on it, and even write programs to graph data. I'm always doing projects like that, not all of them tied to issues on this list. It's what I do. My opinion differs from the norm on climate change, so when someone posts something about it I often disagree. Sometimes I like to respond as if it were a public mailing list. <br><br>Why does everyone think that I'm always being dismissive, condescending, or patronizing? I'm just having a conversation. I'm not trying to score points or beat my viewpoint into others. When someone responds, I reply if I have something to say.<br></span><span style='color:#888888'><br>Paul</span><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'><br><br>On 09/14/2011 10:39 AM, Saundra Lund wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:#1F497D'>Paul wrote:</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:#1F497D'>“</span><span style='color:black'>In my personal opinion, some people on this list should question whether or not they are obsessing too much about these people.”<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:#1F497D'>Do you mean “obsessing” as in your obsession to respond to virtually all climate change posts with which you disagree?</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:#1F497D'>Or, do you mean “obsessing” as in the expertise some list members (including yourself) have pursued to learn about climate change, mega-loads, child sexual abuse, etc.?</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:#1F497D'>Or, do you mean “obsessing” as in people not willing to accept your opinion on any particular topic as gospel as evidenced by offering opinions/experiences different than your own???</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:#1F497D'>One person’s obsession is another’s passion, you know. Personally, I’m grateful we have longer term community members on the Viz who value community history. There are some who’d like us to forget about things like SSAIW & religiously motivated local laws pushed by their own personal lobbyists actually on the city council & board of county commissioners . . . and that unsuccessfully tried to run stealth anti-public education candidates for the school board. There are some who’d like us to forget the role of certain local religious factions in Proposition 8 & in boycotting “immoral” local businesses so they can whine with phony “righteous indignation” when individuals choose not to patronize their businesses. And, there are some who’d like us to forget all about certain local churches that have been caught dead to rights – and more than once -- violating the conditions of their tax exemption status by partisan politicking from the pulpit.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:#1F497D'>And, there are certainly local (as well as state & national) politicians on both sides of the aisle who’d like us to forget their campaign promises . . . and lies.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:#1F497D'>Your “obsessing” comment is yet another in a long line of examples of your dismissive, condescending, and patronizing jabs at those who disagree with you. You’re not the only one, of course, but you – as are others – are pretty consistent about it. You might do well to pay more attention to the plank in your own eye than to the speck you perceive in the eyes of others.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:#1F497D'>In my personal opinion, of course </span><span style='font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D'>J</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:#1F497D'>Ha – and the subject line actually still fits!</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:#1F497D'>Saundra</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:#1F497D'>Moscow, ID</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:#1F497D'>The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do nothing.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:#1F497D'>~ Edmund Burke</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'><br>=======================================================<br> List services made available by First Step Internet,<br> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.<br> <a href="http://www.fsr.net/" target="_blank">http://www.fsr.net</a><br> mailto:<a href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">Vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>=======================================================<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='color:black'><br>=======================================================<br>List services made available by First Step Internet,<br>serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.<br> <a href="http://www.fsr.net/" target="_blank">http://www.fsr.net</a><br> mailto:<a href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com">Vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>=======================================================<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></body></html>