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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Verdana>Here's one reason:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Verdana></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Verdana>You wrote:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Verdana></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff>"Neither your concerns about tax exemption nor Wayne's
concerns about his testimony in a child custody case are reversing my impression
of him, mainly because I suspect that the reasons why he did those things are
religious in nature, very likely Bible-based, and this understandable to
me."</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=Verdana></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=Verdana>So whatever anybody believes
because of religious reasons is OK? That's being dismissive and
condescending.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=Verdana></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=Verdana>The issues that many in the
community have with Jim Wilson and Douglas Wilson arise because of their
determination to either persuade the gullible or cram their religious beliefs
and/actions based on those beliefs down people's throats.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=Verdana></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=Verdana>Excusing advocating placing a
molested child in the custody of the molester or excusing perjury committed to
avoid paying taxes and criminal charges because the perpetrator believe that is
what some alleged god wants is not a value worthy of debate? That's
dismissive and condescending.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=Verdana></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=Verdana>Good old Jim. Enables
child sexual molestation, lies under oath to avoid paying taxes, etc. But
what a prince of a fellow. Good old charming Ted Bundy. Murdered a
few people, but what a charming and fun guy to have around.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=Verdana></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=Verdana>Avoiding/refusing to debate a
belief and the results of that belief which end in morally
reprehensible behavior because the belief is bible based. That's
chickenshit!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=Verdana></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=Verdana>w.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt Tahoma"> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt Tahoma">
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana></FONT><FONT face=Verdana></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A
title="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com
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href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">Paul Rumelhart</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, September 14, 2011 11:58 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A
title="mailto:v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm
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href="mailto:v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm">Saundra Lund</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">'vision 2020'</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Hypocrisy</DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><BR>I've never claimed to be Jesus Christ or Gandhi. Of
course I have issues of my own.<BR><BR>I find climate change interesting.
I read up on it, and even write programs to graph data. I'm always doing
projects like that, not all of them tied to issues on this list. It's what
I do. My opinion differs from the norm on climate change, so when someone
posts something about it I often disagree. Sometimes I like to respond as
if it were a public mailing list. <BR><BR>Why does everyone think that I'm
always being dismissive, condescending, or patronizing? I'm just having a
conversation. I'm not trying to score points or beat my viewpoint into
others. When someone responds, I reply if I have something to
say.<BR><BR>Paul<BR><BR>On 09/14/2011 10:39 AM, Saundra Lund wrote:
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)">Paul
wrote:<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)">“</SPAN>In
my personal opinion, some people on this list should question whether or not
they are obsessing too much about these people.”<SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)"><O:P> </O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)">Do you mean
“obsessing” as in your obsession to respond to virtually all climate change
posts with which you disagree?<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)"><O:P> </O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)">Or, do you
mean “obsessing” as in the expertise some list members (including yourself)
have pursued to learn about climate change, mega-loads, child sexual abuse,
etc.?<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)"><O:P> </O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)">Or, do you
mean “obsessing” as in people not willing to accept your opinion on any
particular topic as gospel as evidenced by offering opinions/experiences
different than your own???<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)"><O:P> </O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)">One
person’s obsession is another’s passion, you know. Personally, I’m
grateful we have longer term community members on the Viz who value community
history. There are some who’d like us to forget about things like SSAIW
& religiously motivated local laws pushed by their own personal lobbyists
actually on the city council & board of county commissioners . . . and
that unsuccessfully tried to run stealth anti-public education candidates for
the school board. There are some who’d like us to forget the role of
certain local religious factions in Proposition 8 & in boycotting
“immoral” local businesses so they can whine with phony “righteous
indignation” when individuals choose not to patronize their businesses.
And, there are some who’d like us to forget all about certain local churches
that have been caught dead to rights – and more than once -- violating the
conditions of their tax exemption status by partisan politicking from the
pulpit.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)"><O:P> </O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)">And, there
are certainly local (as well as state & national) politicians on both
sides of the aisle who’d like us to forget their campaign promises . . . and
lies.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)"><O:P> </O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)">Your
“obsessing” comment is yet another in a long line of examples of your
dismissive, condescending, and patronizing jabs at those who disagree with
you. You’re not the only one, of course, but you – as are others – are
pretty consistent about it. You might do well to pay more attention to
the plank in your own eye than to the speck you perceive in the eyes of
others.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)"><O:P> </O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)">In my
personal opinion, of course </SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)">J</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)"><O:P> </O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)">Ha – and
the subject line actually still fits!<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)"><O:P> </O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)"><O:P> </O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)">Saundra<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)">Moscow,
ID<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)"><O:P> </O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)">The only
thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do
nothing.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)">~ Edmund
Burke<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)"><O:P> </O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)"><O:P> </O:P></SPAN></P></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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