<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div><br><span></span></div><div><span>Oops. I actually meant for this to go to Saundra and the list. Sorry about that.</span></div><div><br><span></span></div><div><span>Paul</span></div><div><br></div><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><font face="Arial" size="2">----- Forwarded Message -----<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Paul Rumelhart <godshatter@yahoo.com><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Saundra Lund <v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, September 12, 2011 2:35 PM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: Hypocrisy (was RE: September 11th Memorial
Events)<br></font><br><meta http-equiv="x-dns-prefetch-control" content="off"><div id="yiv1623332749"><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><div><br><span></span></div>When I tell you that I find him to be nice and respectful and willing to help others, I'm not saying that I approve of everything he has ever said or done. I don't know anything about whatever it is that you think he has done regarding taxes so I can't comment on it.<br><br>It's possible for someone to do something you disagree with and still be a nice and respectful person willing to help others.<br><br>I don't disagree with you about tax exemption being an outdated model that should be abolished.<br><br>Paul<br><div><br></div><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size:
12pt;"><font face="Arial" size="2"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Saundra Lund
<v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> 'Paul Rumelhart' <godshatter@yahoo.com>; 'Art Deco' <deco@moscow.com><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> Vision2020@moscow.com<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, September 12, 2011 11:26 AM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> RE: Hypocrisy (was RE: September 11th Memorial Events)<br></font><br><div id="yiv1623332749"><style><!--
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--></style><div class="yiv1623332749WordSection1"><div class="yiv1623332749MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">So, Paul, let’s get right down to brass tacks instead of your passive-aggressive patronizing BS that I suspect I’m not the only one bone-weary of. Simple answer: yes or no. </span></div><div class="yiv1623332749MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></div><div class="yiv1623332749MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Is it your position, then, that if the only way the head of a non-profit group like Jim Wilson (or Doug Wilson or Roy Atwood, for that matter) can keep the group’s tax exempt status is by being a deceitful, dishonest, disingenuous liar (either by omission or commission) <b>year after year after year</b> to the “secular government,” appropriate descriptions of that same person are
“nice” and “respectful”?</span></div><div class="yiv1623332749MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></div><div class="yiv1623332749MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">And, as was pointed out to me by an offlist correspondent, if Jim Wilson would give you the shirt off his back, remember it’s the <b>taxpayers</b> who are paying for it, not Jim Wilson.</span></div><div class="yiv1623332749MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></div><div class="yiv1623332749MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Like it or not, Paul, tax exemption – property or otherwise -- is a <b>privilege</b> granted by the government in exchange for an agreement by the exempt entity to abide by the rules -- it’s not a right. Frankly, I think it’s an outdated model that needs to be abolished
because rampant abuse has been proven time and again, both locally and around the nation. Too, tax exemption dates back to a time when the “greater good” works were done, for the most part, in the home community – that’s clearly not the case now.</span></div><div class="yiv1623332749MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></div><div class="yiv1623332749MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Personally, I’m tickled pink that some jurisdictions (Illinois & California are two) are taking a <b>hard look</b> at property tax exemptions – Idaho really should follow suit rather than gutting education, going after services that help the elderly & disabled stay in their communities with decent qualities of life, providing basic assistance to the working poor and economically disadvantaged among us . . . and subsidizing the disastrous efforts of big
business. I think most folks would be absolutely shocked at how much giving away property tax exemptions costs our communities. I’ve heard rumors of a movement in the southern part of the state advocating that as a part of the NPO & religious property tax exemption process, clear public disclosure should be required of the financial loss to the taxing jurisdiction & that information should be freely available at assessor offices, in person & online. Personally, I don’t think it’s likely to be successful because we have too many in government who represent their churches rather than <b>all</b> of their constituents, but maybe I’ll be proven wrong. Idaho has turned giving away <b>taxpayer</b> money to cronies into a high art form and at great cost – and waste – to the taxpayers. Huh – what a surprise in a red state . . . not.</span></div><div class="yiv1623332749MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31,
73, 125);"> </span></div><div class="yiv1623332749MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></div><div class="yiv1623332749MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Saundra Lund</span></div><div class="yiv1623332749MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Moscow, ID</span></div><div class="yiv1623332749MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></div><div class="yiv1623332749MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do nothing.</span></div><div class="yiv1623332749MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">~ Edmund Burke</span></div><div class="yiv1623332749MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></div><div><div style="border-right: medium none; border-width: 1pt medium medium; border-style: solid none none; border-color: rgb(181, 196, 223) -moz-use-text-color -moz-use-text-color;
padding: 3pt 0in 0in;"><div class="yiv1623332749MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> Paul Rumelhart [mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, September 11, 2011 3:13 PM<br><b>To:</b> Saundra Lund; 'Art Deco'<br><b>Cc:</b> Vision2020@moscow.com<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: Hypocrisy (was RE: September 11th Memorial Events)</span></div></div></div><div class="yiv1623332749MsoNormal"> </div><div><div><div class="yiv1623332749MsoNormal" style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% white;"><span style="color: black;">Aren't all churches, all across the country, tax exempt?</span></div></div><div><div class="yiv1623332749MsoNormal" style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% white;"><span style="color: black;">
</span></div></div><div><div class="yiv1623332749MsoNormal" style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% white;"><span style="color: black;">I don't know what you're referring to when you say he lied under oath, so I really can't comment on it.</span></div></div><div><div class="yiv1623332749MsoNormal" style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% white;"><span style="color: black;"> </span></div></div><div><div class="yiv1623332749MsoNormal" style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% white;"><span style="color: black;">Anyway, my apologies for noticing the guy's positive qualities.</span></div></div><div><div class="yiv1623332749MsoNormal" style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% white;"><span style="color: black;"> </span></div></div><div><div class="yiv1623332749MsoNormal" style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% white;"><span style="color: black;">Paul</span></div></div><div><div class="yiv1623332749MsoNormal"
style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% white;"><span style="color: black;"> </span></div></div><div><div><div class="yiv1623332749MsoNormal" style="text-align: center; background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% white;" align="center"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black;"><hr size="1" width="100%" align="center"></span></div><div class="yiv1623332749MsoNormal" style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% white;"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black;"> Saundra Lund <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm" target="_blank" href="mailto:v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm">v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm</a>><br><b>To:</b> 'Paul Rumelhart' <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>>; 'Art Deco' <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:deco@moscow.com" target="_blank"
href="mailto:deco@moscow.com">deco@moscow.com</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com">Vision2020@moscow.com</a><br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, September 11, 2011 12:38 PM<br><b>Subject:</b> Hypocrisy (was RE: September 11th Memorial Events)<br></span><span style="color: black;"><br><br></span></div><div id="yiv1623332749"><div><div><div class="yiv1623332749MsoNormal" style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% white;"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">In part, Paul wrote:</span><span style="color: black;"></span></div></div><div><div class="yiv1623332749MsoNormal" style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% white;"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">“</span><span style="color: black;">I know Jim Wilson personally. He's an extremely nice and respectful individual, and (despite not agreeing with him on matters of faith) is as sane as anyone on this
list. He's the kind of guy that would give you the shirt off his back if he thought you
needed it more than he. If he thinks a certain way about something, it's because that's his honest interpretation from reading his Bible.”</span></div></div><div><div class="yiv1623332749MsoNormal" style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% white;"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span><span style="color: black;"></span></div></div><div><div class="yiv1623332749MsoNormal" style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% white;"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Huh – you must know a different Jim Wilson than do I because I personally don’t give a rip how “nice” or “respectful” someone may be if honesty & integrity are lacking, as is the case with Jim Wilson wanting a free tax ride & expecting government – which means you & me -- to pay for his ride. My friends will remember how completely shocked & disappointed I was that Wilson had no difficulty being dishonest under oath.
Pathetic.</span><span style="color: black;"></span></div></div><div><div class="yiv1623332749MsoNormal" style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% white;"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span><span style="color: black;"></span></div></div><div><div class="yiv1623332749MsoNormal" style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% white;"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Personally, I don’t think it’s OK to be disingenuous – at best – just to stick the rest of us with CCM’s tax bill, and I don’t think God thinks it’s OK, either. Lying, cheating, stealing – or being intentionally obtuse -- are OK as long as long as you’re ripping off those who don’t share a particular faith, eh? Not in my faith, and not in my world, it isn’t.</span><span style="color: black;"></span></div></div><div><div class="yiv1623332749MsoNormal" style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% white;"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73,
125);"> </span><span style="color: black;"></span></div></div><div><div class="yiv1623332749MsoNormal" style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% white;"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Hypocrisy is hypocrisy is hypocrisy, and we know that it pains you, Paul, but it’s even more reprehensible when it comes from so-called “religious leaders” like Jim Wilson.</span><span style="color: black;"></span></div></div><div><div class="yiv1623332749MsoNormal" style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% white;"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span><span style="color: black;"></span></div></div><div><div class="yiv1623332749MsoNormal" style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% white;"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span><span style="color: black;"></span></div></div><div><div class="yiv1623332749MsoNormal" style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% white;"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Saundra
Lund</span><span style="color: black;"></span></div></div><div><div class="yiv1623332749MsoNormal" style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% white;"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Moscow, ID</span><span style="color: black;"></span></div></div><div><div class="yiv1623332749MsoNormal" style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% white;"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span><span style="color: black;"></span></div></div><div><div class="yiv1623332749MsoNormal" style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% white;"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do nothing.</span><span style="color: black;"></span></div></div><div><div class="yiv1623332749MsoNormal" style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% white;"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">~ Edmund Burke</span><span style="color: black;"></span></div></div></div></div><div class="yiv1623332749MsoNormal"
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