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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple id=MailContainerBody name="Compose message area"><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Gary, you old rascal, I’m sorry to read that you are still toting the load for Doug and the Toadies. You are not getting any younger and the load is not getting any lighter. Actually, given the difficulty of ever achieving the separation of church and state in Idaho, the outcome on the Appellate level was a foregone conclusion. You may not recall we won on the County level. Grinding Doug’s nose in the dirt wasn’t the reason Saundra and I chose to shine the spotlight on Doug’s use of tax exempt property to provide a hidey-hole for his congregation members to operate their for-profit driving school. Nor, was it the reason that we objected to the presence of a for-profit, private boys school in Jim Wilson’s NuArt operation. We believed then, as we continue to believe now, that tax exempt property should not be permitted to concurrently permit for-profit business to enjoy a free ride at taxpayers’ expense (not to mention the sneaky violation of community zoning laws). Doug and Jim Wilson are not above the law despite the fact that they wrap themselves in scripture. It does, however, make them hypocrites, which is another story for another day.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Further, and just to clarify my position, I don’t believe that <u>any church</u> (or religious organization) should enjoy the privilege of tax exempt status. I believe in complete separation of church and state. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Hope you had a nice summer. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Rose<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> vision2020-bounces@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Gary Crabtree<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, September 11, 2011 7:17 PM<br><b>To:</b> Gier, Nicholas; Saundra Lund; godshatter@yahoo.com; Art Deco<br><b>Cc:</b> Vision2020@moscow.com<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] Hypocrisy (was RE: September 11th Memorial Events)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Saundra's and Rose's revelations about Wilsons' tax evasions? Accusations not revelations. The way I remember it, the gals hooted and shrieked at length for zero end result. (the authorities were totally unimpressed with their multitudinous shoeboxes of "evidence." Go figure) None of their specious allegations were born out. Of course when it comes to the vilification of our proud intolerista's favorite bogeymen, all innuendo may freely be treated as truth and facts be damned. For the record, I've known Jim since I was a junior high school kid (bumped into him within a week of his moving to Moscow) and while we have had our share of disagreements, he's still one of the nicest guys I know.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>g</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:NGIER@uidaho.edu" title="mailto:NGIER@uidaho.edu
CTRL + Click to follow link">Gier, Nicholas</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Sent:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Sunday, September 11, 2011 3:26 PM<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>To:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm" title="mailto:v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm
CTRL + Click to follow link">Saundra Lund</a> ; <a href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com" title="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com
CTRL + Click to follow link">godshatter@yahoo.com</a> ; <a href="mailto:deco@moscow.com" title="mailto:deco@moscow.com
CTRL + Click to follow link">Art Deco</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Cc:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com" title="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com
CTRL + Click to follow link">Vision2020@moscow.com</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Subject:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Re: [Vision2020] Hypocrisy (was RE: September 11th Memorial Events)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Hi Paul,<br><br>I've known Jim Wilson for at least 38 years and, despite our religious differences, I respected the man, even after his son made friends with a board member of the neo-Confederate League of the South, became an extreme Calvinist, and proceeded to violate every virtue in the book.I know that this troubled Jim very much and what stressed him most was the rift it caused between Doug and his brother Evan, whom I still respect as conservative evangelical Christian. <br><br>But after Saundra's and Rose's revelations about Wilsons' tax evasions and after I read Jim's book on basing evangelivism on a military model, that was the last straw for me. Especially when I asked him directly if thought that the upheld sword on his book cover was a mistake. He brushed it off as just "symbolic."<br><br>I don't pray but my humble request to the Life Force is that more of Doug's congregation move over to Evan's nice little church on 6th Street. I'm not inviting them to my church, because I don't think they would make good Unitarian Universalists--and that's perfectly OK with most UUs.<br><br>I offer my condolences for your loss, but I was moved to tears this morning in church when a 9/11 song that began "Even though I did not know you. . . . was played over the sound system. I'll try to get the entire lyrics off the web.<br><br>In memory those who were lost and in sympathy with their families and those Muslims (or those taken for them)whose scripture and mosques have been burned,<br><br>Nick<br><br>In part, Paul wrote:<br><br>"I know Jim Wilson personally. He's an extremely nice and respectful individual, and (despite not agreeing with him on matters of faith) is as sane as anyone on this list. He's the kind of guy that would give you the shirt off his back if he thought you needed it more than he. If he thinks a certain way about something, it's because that's his honest interpretation from reading his Bible."<br><br><br><br>Huh - you must know a different Jim Wilson than do I because I personally don't give a rip how "nice" or "respectful" someone may be if honesty & integrity are lacking, as is the case with Jim Wilson wanting a free tax ride & expecting government - which means you & me -- to pay for his ride. My friends will remember how completely shocked & disappointed I was that Wilson had no difficulty being dishonest under oath. Pathetic.<br><br><br><br>Personally, I don't think it's OK to be disingenuous - at best - just to stick the rest of us with CCM's tax bill, and I don't think God thinks it's OK, either. Lying, cheating, stealing - or being intentionally obtuse -- are OK as long as long as you're ripping off those who don't share a particular faith, eh? Not in my faith, and not in my world, it isn't.<br><br><br><br>Hypocrisy is hypocrisy is hypocrisy, and we know that it pains you, Paul, but it's even more reprehensible when it comes from so-called "religious leaders" like Jim Wilson.<br><br><br><br><br><br>Saundra Lund<br><br>Moscow, ID<br><br><br><br>The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do nothing.<br><br>~ Edmund Burke<br><br></span><o:p></o:p></p><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><hr size=3 width="100%" align=center></div><p class=MsoNormal>=======================================================<br> List services made available by First Step Internet,<br> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.<br> http://www.fsr.net<br> mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<br>=======================================================<o:p></o:p></p></div></body></html>