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I'm not an expert on the ITD permit process for moving oversize
loads. Are you saying that there is no such process, and that
Exxon/Mobil is breaking the law moving these loads? I thought they
had secured the proper permits through the normal process. Is that
not true?<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
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On 09/05/2011 08:02 PM, Donovan Arnold wrote:
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cite="mid:1315278144.79528.YahooMailNeo@web38105.mail.mud.yahoo.com"
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255); font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif;
font-size: 12pt;">
<div style="right: auto;"><span style="right: auto;">"Nothing is
different for them. <span style="right: auto;"
id="misspell-0"><span id="misspell-0"><span
id="misspell-0">Walmart</span></span></span>, Target,
and any other business can happily move their products down
the State highway as long as they go through the process of
securing the proper permits."--Paul</span></div>
<div><span style="right: auto;"></span> </div>
<div style="right: auto;"><span style="right: auto;">Well, that
certainly is news to me and millions of others with a <span
style="right: auto;" id="misspell-1"><span style="right:
auto;" id="misspell-1">commercial </span></span>drivers
license. Please, Paul, enlighten us as to this "process o<var
id="yui-ie-cursor"></var>f securing the proper permits" to
drive hundreds of loads grossly overweight and <span
style="right: auto;" id="misspell-2"><span style="right:
auto;" id="misspell-2"><span>oversize</span></span></span>d
across the entire northern half of Idaho. We all stand to
make a fortune if we can do this too, not to mention we
won't have to stop at all those damn weight stations. </span></div>
<div style="right: auto;"><span style="right: auto;"></span> </div>
<div style="right: auto;"><span style="right: auto;">Donovan
Arnold</span></div>
<div style="right: auto;"><span style="right: auto;"></span> </div>
<div style="right: auto;"><span style="right: auto;"> </span></div>
<div style="right: auto;">On 09/05/2011 07:05 PM, Donovan Arnold
wrote: </div>
<div><br>
</div>
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font-size: 12pt;">
<div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif;
font-size: 12pt;"><font face="Arial" size="2">
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Paul
Rumelhart <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com"><godshatter@yahoo.com></a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Donovan
Arnold <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com"><donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com></a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> "Gier,
Nicholas" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:NGIER@uidaho.edu"><NGIER@uidaho.edu></a>; Moscow Vision 2020
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com"><Vision2020@moscow.com></a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b>
Monday, September 5, 2011 8:14 PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b>
Re: [Vision2020] who pays for <span id="misspell-5"><span
id="misspell-5">Megaload</span></span> cops?<br>
</font><br>
<div style="right: auto;" id="yiv945652337">Nothing is
different for them. <span id="misspell-6"><span
id="misspell-6">Walmart</span></span>, Target, and any
other business can happily move their products down the
State highway as long as they go through the process of
securing the proper permits.<br>
<br>
I'm of the opinion that Lucifer himself should be allowed
to move <span id="misspell-7"><span id="misspell-7">megaloads</span></span>
down the State highway as long as he secures the proper
permits and isn't violating any laws. I don't know about
Loki, though. He is a trickster god, after all. You
can't really trust him, but you can't really deny him the
permits either. Just keep a close eye on him, I guess.<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
<br>
On 09/05/2011 07:05 PM, Donovan Arnold wrote:
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<div style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);
font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif;
color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 12pt;">
<div><span>I don't think people are protesting the
company, just their destructive behavior as is
evidenced by the protesting not <span
id="yiv945652337misspell-0"><span>occurring</span></span>
at any of the <span id="yiv945652337misspell-1"><span
id="misspell-8"><span id="misspell-8">ExxonMobil</span></span></span>
gas stations or their other products elsewhere in
the community. The only rules that have changed
are the ones that <span
id="yiv945652337misspell-2"><span
id="misspell-9"><span id="misspell-9">ExxonMobil</span></span></span>
made for themselves and nobody else to be able to
ship products at a weight and size deemed unsafe.
Honestly, why is it safe for <span
id="yiv945652337misspell-3"><span
id="misspell-10"><span id="misspell-10">ExxonMobil</span></span></span>
to move this size cargo and not <span
id="yiv945652337misspell-4"><span
id="misspell-11"><span id="misspell-11">Walmart</span></span></span>,
Target, and other business passing through? It
would save them money too. What is different for
them?<var id="yiv945652337yui-ie-cursor"></var></span></div>
<div><span></span> </div>
<div><span>Donovan Arnold</span></div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div style="font-family: times new roman,new
york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;">
<div style="font-family: times new roman,new
york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><font
face="Arial" size="2"><b><span
style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b>
Paul Rumelhart <a moz-do-not-send="true"
class="yiv945652337moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com"
rel="nofollow" target="_blank"
ymailto="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com"><godshatter@yahoo.com></a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b>
Donovan Arnold <a moz-do-not-send="true"
class="yiv945652337moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com"
rel="nofollow" target="_blank"
ymailto="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com"><donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com></a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b>
"Gier, Nicholas" <a moz-do-not-send="true"
class="yiv945652337moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:NGIER@uidaho.edu" rel="nofollow"
target="_blank"
ymailto="mailto:NGIER@uidaho.edu"><NGIER@uidaho.edu></a>;
Moscow Vision 2020 <a moz-do-not-send="true"
class="yiv945652337moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com"
rel="nofollow" target="_blank"
ymailto="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com"><Vision2020@moscow.com></a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b>
Monday, September 5, 2011 8:39 AM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b>
Re: [Vision2020] who pays for <span
id="yiv945652337misspell-7"><span
id="misspell-14"><span id="misspell-14">Megaload</span></span></span>
cops?<br>
</font><br>
<div style="right: auto;" id="yiv945652337"><br>
Hey, they're not my favorite company, either.
However, the rules don't change based on how
much we like them.<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
<br>
On 09/04/2011 10:38 PM, Donovan Arnold wrote:
<blockquote style="right: auto;" type="cite">
<div style="background-color: rgb(255, 255,
255); font-family: times new roman,new
york,times,serif; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);
font-size: 12pt;">
<div><span>Yeah, poor Exxon Mobile. They
seem to always be getting the short end
of the deal because nobody likes them.
All they have to comfort and console
them is the 100s of billions they make <span
id="yiv945652337misspell-0">every</span>
year from cheating and <span
id="yiv945652337misspell-1"><span>exploiting</span></span>
people and the environment. We certainly
do not treat all the other companies
that roll large numbers of <span
id="yiv945652337misspell-0"><span
id="yiv945652337misspell-0"
class="yiv945652337mark"><span
id="yiv945652337misspell-8"><span
id="misspell-15"><span
id="misspell-15">megaloads</span></span></span></span></span>
through our <span
id="yiv945652337misspell-1"><span
id="yiv945652337misspell-1"><span>pristine</span></span></span>
environment the same way do we? <var
id="yiv945652337yui-ie-cursor"></var></span></div>
<div><span></span> </div>
<div><span>Donovan Arnold</span></div>
<div><br>
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<div style="font-family: times new roman,new
york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;">
<div style="font-family: times new
roman,new york,times,serif; font-size:
12pt;"><font face="Arial" size="2"><b><span
style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b>
Paul Rumelhart <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="yiv945652337moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com"
rel="nofollow" target="_blank"
ymailto="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com"><godshatter@yahoo.com></a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b>
"Gier, Nicholas" <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="yiv945652337moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:NGIER@uidaho.edu"
rel="nofollow" target="_blank"
ymailto="mailto:NGIER@uidaho.edu"><NGIER@uidaho.edu></a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b>
Donovan Arnold <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="yiv945652337moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com" rel="nofollow"
target="_blank"
ymailto="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com"><donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com></a>;
Moscow Vision 2020 <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="yiv945652337moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com"
rel="nofollow" target="_blank"
ymailto="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com"><Vision2020@moscow.com></a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b>
Sunday, September 4, 2011 5:54 PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b>
Re: [Vision2020] who pays for <span
id="yiv945652337misspell-4"><span
id="yiv945652337misspell-4"><span
id="yiv945652337misspell-4"
class="yiv945652337mark"><span
id="yiv945652337misspell-11"><span
id="misspell-18"><span
id="misspell-18">Megaload</span></span></span></span></span></span>
cops?<br>
</font><br>
<div style="right: auto;"
id="yiv945652337"><br>
Who is paying and who should have to
pay are two different things. If
Exxon/Mobil is paying as part of a
contract they negotiated, or if they
are paying in order to keep their
drivers safe, so much the better. I
just don't like this
current-object-of-my-ire-pays rule
that seems to have sprung up here.<br>
<br>
If you walk through a dangerous part
of town on the way home and you have
call 911 a few times to get the cops
to break up bad situations, I don't
see how you should expect to be billed
for it. If you decide to hire an
off-duty cop to walk with you, it
doesn't change the fact that you
shouldn't have to do so.<br>
<br>
In effect, it's akin to fining
Exxon/Mobil for having a bad
reputation amongst local <span
id="yiv945652337misspell-5"><span
id="yiv945652337misspell-5"><span
id="yiv945652337misspell-5"
class="yiv945652337mark"><span
id="yiv945652337misspell-12"><span
id="misspell-19"><span
id="misspell-19">Muscovites</span></span></span></span></span></span>.
I don't see that as a positive thing.<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
<br>
On 09/04/2011 01:45 PM, Gier, Nicholas
wrote:
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type="cite">
<div style="right: auto;"><font
size="2">Greetings:<br>
<br>
What has been lost in this
discussion and rather
detrimental to Paul's and Jay's
position is that Exxon Mobil
paid for police security going
up Highway 12 (and is still
paying for it as the load sits
there being ugly); and,
according to our mayor,
Exxon-Mobil is willing to pay
the Moscow <span
id="yiv945652337misspell-7"><span
id="yiv945652337misspell-7"><span
id="yiv945652337misspell-7" class="yiv945652337mark"><span
id="yiv945652337misspell-14"><span
id="misspell-21"><span
id="misspell-21">MPD</span></span></span></span></span></span>
for any extra costs. I don't
know why Nancy would tell me
something that is not true, so
this ends, for me at least, the
discussion about who should pay.<br>
<br>
Nick<br>
<br>
Paul states,<br>
<br>
"As a property tax payer, I'd
rather pay for general police
coverage that way than to have
to have a credit card handy when
I dial 911."<br>
<br>
Paul, I think that is an
excellent counter argument to
a claim that people should be
required to personally finance
the costs of their legitimate
emergencies to the city. But
since that claim was never made
I am unsure as to why you would
make it.<br>
<br>
However, I am sure that many for
profit businesses would be
pleased to hear that you
are willing to pay a share of
their costs of doing business by
transferring their company
responsibilities to
publicly funded government
agencies they don't pay into. I
am not so willing and generous
as you are, apparently. I
believe that general city
services should be used for the
general public not to pawn off
expenses of private for profit
companies to local taxpayers.<br>
<br>
Donovan Arnold<br>
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