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    I don't actually believe that the earth isn't warming.  See, that's
    the problem with trying to sweep this conversation under the rug ala
    racism.  I'm just skeptical that they actually know how much warming
    is due to mankind because I haven't seen any evidence that they have
    a handle on the natural processes involved.  I am also skeptical
    that they know enough about the possible feedback mechanisms to have
    any right to claim that the results will be catastrophic.<br>
    <br>
    Anyway, there's plenty here that could be discussed, but not if we
    bury our heads in the sand and poo-poo the conversations because
    someone is bringing up a subject that people have worked really hard
    to make into a political statement, and are now trying to make into
    an unassailable truth.<br>
    <br>
    Doesn't it matter to you at all that they play fast and loose with
    the numbers sometimes to add more shock value?  Wouldn't you rather
    they just told you what they actually knew?<br>
    <br>
    Paul<br>
    <br>
    On 09/02/2011 03:38 PM, Donovan Arnold wrote:
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        <div style="right: auto;"><span style="right: auto;">Paul,</span></div>
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        <div style="right: auto;"><span style="right: auto;">Yes,
            because your "fact" doesn't support your claim that global
            warming isn't <span style="right: auto;" id="misspell-0"><span>occurring</span></span>.
            The <span style="right: auto;" id="misspell-1"><span>preponderance</span></span>
            of empirical evidence and the overwhelming majority of
            experts believe that global warming is <span style="right:
              auto;" id="misspell-2"><span>occurring</span></span>. If
            you have evidence to show that the Earth is not warming or
            can <span style="right: auto;" id="misspell-3"><span>convince</span></span>
            a majority of geologists<var id="yui-ie-cursor"></var>, <span
              style="right: auto;" id="misspell-4"><span>meteorologists</span></span>,
            and weather and climate field related experts they are
            wrong, then I think your claim can be supported. Pointing
            out a misplaced decimal point or misquote from a supporter
            of stopping global warming doesn't logically support your
            claim the Earth isn't warming.</span></div>
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        <div style="right: auto;"><span style="right: auto;">Donovan
            Arnold</span></div>
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              <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Paul
              Rumelhart <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com"><godshatter@yahoo.com></a><br>
              <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Donovan
              Arnold <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com"><donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com></a><br>
              <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> Vision
              2020 <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com"><Vision2020@moscow.com></a><br>
              <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b>
              Friday, September 2, 2011 7:49 AM<br>
              <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b>
              Re: [Vision2020] Al Gore thinks climate "deniers" are akin
              to racists from the Old South<br>
            </font><br>
            <div id="yiv782061080">Does it matter if the person "denying
              global warming" has actual facts to back them up?<br>
              <br>
              For example, when I correct someone yet again on this list
              who is overstating the amount of sea level rise that the <span
                id="misspell-6">IPCC</span> expects as their worst-case
              scenario, do I sound ignorant?  Should everyone turn away
              and pretend I didn't say anything at all?<br>
              <br>
              Don't mind me, I'm just trying to probe the outer edges of
              their reality-distortion field.<br>
              <br>
              Paul<br>
              <br>
              On 09/01/2011 08:48 PM, Donovan Arnold wrote:
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                  <div><span>I do think someone sounds ignorant and
                      uneducated when they deny global warming and
                      humans having a negative impact on the Earth's
                      environment. I also think someone sounds ignorant
                      and uneducated about people when they say racist,
                      sexist, homophobic things. So, yes, in that
                      respect, I think the two are similar. Other than
                      this, no, there are no similarities. </span></div>
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                  <div><span>Donovan Arnold</span></div>
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                        face="Arial" size="2"><b><span
                            style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b>
                        Paul Rumelhart <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                          ymailto="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com"><godshatter@yahoo.com></a><br>
                        <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b>
                        Vision 2020 <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                          ymailto="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com"><Vision2020@moscow.com></a><br>
                        <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b>
                        Thursday, September 1, 2011 1:14 PM<br>
                        <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b>
                        [Vision2020] Al Gore thinks climate "deniers"
                        are akin to racists from the Old South<br>
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                      I'd like to get some vision2020 members opinions
                      on this.  Here is an article from the <span
                        id="yiv782061080misspell-1"
                        class="yiv782061080mark"><span id="misspell-8">Huffington</span></span>
                      Post where in an interview Al Gore talks about
                      "winning the conversation" with climate deniers
                      which refers to how racist comments were basically
                      shunned in everyday conversations after the civil
                      rights movement occurred.<br>
                      <br>
                      Here is the article: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/30/gore-climate-change-deniers_n_940802.html"
                        rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/30/gore-climate-change-deniers_n_940802.html</a><br>
                      <br>
                      Do you think it's legitimate to treat talk of
                      skepticism of anthropogenic global warming in the
                      same way that we do racist language today?<br>
                      <br>
                      Should I, as a climate skeptic, be told that "we
                      don't talk about that here in polite conversation"
                      when I have a question about something related to
                      the science of climate change?<br>
                      <br>
                      Just curious if I sound like <span
                        id="yiv782061080misspell-2"
                        class="yiv782061080mark"><span id="misspell-9">everyone's</span></span>
                      uncle that everybody seems to have that
                      embarrasses you every time you go out in public
                      with him.<br>
                      <var id="yiv782061080yui-ie-cursor"></var><br>
                      Is that really a healthy attitude to have about
                      scientific skepticism?<br>
                      <br>
                      Paul<br>
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