<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
<html>
<head>
<meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
http-equiv="Content-Type">
<title></title>
</head>
<body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
<br>
I don't actually believe that the earth isn't warming. See, that's
the problem with trying to sweep this conversation under the rug ala
racism. I'm just skeptical that they actually know how much warming
is due to mankind because I haven't seen any evidence that they have
a handle on the natural processes involved. I am also skeptical
that they know enough about the possible feedback mechanisms to have
any right to claim that the results will be catastrophic.<br>
<br>
Anyway, there's plenty here that could be discussed, but not if we
bury our heads in the sand and poo-poo the conversations because
someone is bringing up a subject that people have worked really hard
to make into a political statement, and are now trying to make into
an unassailable truth.<br>
<br>
Doesn't it matter to you at all that they play fast and loose with
the numbers sometimes to add more shock value? Wouldn't you rather
they just told you what they actually knew?<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
<br>
On 09/02/2011 03:38 PM, Donovan Arnold wrote:
<blockquote
cite="mid:1315003118.84758.YahooMailNeo@web38106.mail.mud.yahoo.com"
type="cite">
<div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255,
255); font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif;
font-size: 12pt;">
<div style="right: auto;"><span style="right: auto;">Paul,</span></div>
<div style="right: auto;"><span style="right: auto;"></span> </div>
<div style="right: auto;"><span style="right: auto;">Yes,
because your "fact" doesn't support your claim that global
warming isn't <span style="right: auto;" id="misspell-0"><span>occurring</span></span>.
The <span style="right: auto;" id="misspell-1"><span>preponderance</span></span>
of empirical evidence and the overwhelming majority of
experts believe that global warming is <span style="right:
auto;" id="misspell-2"><span>occurring</span></span>. If
you have evidence to show that the Earth is not warming or
can <span style="right: auto;" id="misspell-3"><span>convince</span></span>
a majority of geologists<var id="yui-ie-cursor"></var>, <span
style="right: auto;" id="misspell-4"><span>meteorologists</span></span>,
and weather and climate field related experts they are
wrong, then I think your claim can be supported. Pointing
out a misplaced decimal point or misquote from a supporter
of stopping global warming doesn't logically support your
claim the Earth isn't warming.</span></div>
<div style="right: auto;"><span style="right: auto;"></span> </div>
<div style="right: auto;"><span style="right: auto;">Donovan
Arnold</span></div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif;
font-size: 12pt;">
<div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif;
font-size: 12pt;"><font face="Arial" size="2">
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Paul
Rumelhart <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com"><godshatter@yahoo.com></a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Donovan
Arnold <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com"><donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com></a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> Vision
2020 <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com"><Vision2020@moscow.com></a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b>
Friday, September 2, 2011 7:49 AM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b>
Re: [Vision2020] Al Gore thinks climate "deniers" are akin
to racists from the Old South<br>
</font><br>
<div id="yiv782061080">Does it matter if the person "denying
global warming" has actual facts to back them up?<br>
<br>
For example, when I correct someone yet again on this list
who is overstating the amount of sea level rise that the <span
id="misspell-6">IPCC</span> expects as their worst-case
scenario, do I sound ignorant? Should everyone turn away
and pretend I didn't say anything at all?<br>
<br>
Don't mind me, I'm just trying to probe the outer edges of
their reality-distortion field.<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
<br>
On 09/01/2011 08:48 PM, Donovan Arnold wrote:
<blockquote type="cite">
<div style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);
font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif;
color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 12pt;">
<div><span>I do think someone sounds ignorant and
uneducated when they deny global warming and
humans having a negative impact on the Earth's
environment. I also think someone sounds ignorant
and uneducated about people when they say racist,
sexist, homophobic things. So, yes, in that
respect, I think the two are similar. Other than
this, no, there are no similarities. </span></div>
<div><span></span> </div>
<div><span>Donovan Arnold</span></div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div style="font-family: times new roman,new
york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;">
<div style="font-family: times new roman,new
york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><font
face="Arial" size="2"><b><span
style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b>
Paul Rumelhart <a moz-do-not-send="true"
class="yiv782061080moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com"
rel="nofollow" target="_blank"
ymailto="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com"><godshatter@yahoo.com></a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b>
Vision 2020 <a moz-do-not-send="true"
class="yiv782061080moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com"
rel="nofollow" target="_blank"
ymailto="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com"><Vision2020@moscow.com></a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b>
Thursday, September 1, 2011 1:14 PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b>
[Vision2020] Al Gore thinks climate "deniers"
are akin to racists from the Old South<br>
</font><br>
I'd like to get some vision2020 members opinions
on this. Here is an article from the <span
id="yiv782061080misspell-1"
class="yiv782061080mark"><span id="misspell-8">Huffington</span></span>
Post where in an interview Al Gore talks about
"winning the conversation" with climate deniers
which refers to how racist comments were basically
shunned in everyday conversations after the civil
rights movement occurred.<br>
<br>
Here is the article: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/30/gore-climate-change-deniers_n_940802.html"
rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/30/gore-climate-change-deniers_n_940802.html</a><br>
<br>
Do you think it's legitimate to treat talk of
skepticism of anthropogenic global warming in the
same way that we do racist language today?<br>
<br>
Should I, as a climate skeptic, be told that "we
don't talk about that here in polite conversation"
when I have a question about something related to
the science of climate change?<br>
<br>
Just curious if I sound like <span
id="yiv782061080misspell-2"
class="yiv782061080mark"><span id="misspell-9">everyone's</span></span>
uncle that everybody seems to have that
embarrasses you every time you go out in public
with him.<br>
<var id="yiv782061080yui-ie-cursor"></var><br>
Is that really a healthy attitude to have about
scientific skepticism?<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
<br>
=======================================================<br>
List services made available by First Step
Internet,<br>
serving the communities of the <span
id="yiv782061080misspell-3"
class="yiv782061080mark"><span id="misspell-10">Palouse</span></span>
since 1994.<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.fsr.net/" rel="nofollow"
target="_blank">http://www.fsr.net</a><br>
<span id="yiv782061080misspell-4"
class="yiv782061080mark"><span id="misspell-11">mailto</span></span>:<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com"
rel="nofollow" target="_blank"
ymailto="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com">Vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>
=======================================================<br>
<br>
<br>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<br>
</div>
<br>
<br>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<br>
</body>
</html>