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Here's my take on the "who pays?" issue. Exxon/Mobil has the proper
permits, and is abiding by their use on a public highway. If there
were no protesters, then there would be no cops needed on extra
duty. Forcing Exxon/Mobil to pay is akin to a denial-of-service
attack in the computer world. All you need to do, if you don't like
someone or some company, is to stage a protest outside their place
of business. The larger the better. Then the person or the
business will have to pay for their protection from the police,
regardless of whether or not they've done anything wrong. You might
as well get a bunch of people to write letters in protest and then
force whoever is the current target of their ire to pay for the
paper, the envelopes, the postage, and their time.<br>
<br>
The only way I can see a justification for Exxon/Mobil paying for
the policemen on extra duty is if they specifically contracted for
them in order to protect the safety of their drivers. Which leads
to the question: who authorized the extra duty for the police
officers - the city, the police department, Exxon/Mobil or some
other group?<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
<br>
P.S. I snipped Mayor Cheney and Councilman Lamarr's names from the
to: list. I'm sure they get enough spam as it is and can choose
whether or not to read the Viz on their own cognizance.<br>
<br>
On 09/02/2011 05:27 PM, Donovan Arnold wrote:
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cite="mid:1315009628.43998.YahooMailNeo@web38103.mail.mud.yahoo.com"
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<div style="right: auto;"><span style="right: auto;">Wayne,</span></div>
<div style="right: auto;"><span style="right: auto;"></span> </div>
<div style="right: auto;"><span style="right: auto;">It has
already been confirmed that Exxon is not paying the cost of
the permit. You can check the donation records of Idaho
Republicans if you don't believe they are getting something
for this from Exxon. And the US Attorney General office
isn't going to do anything about it either or any other
politician because they are also owned and operated by Exxon
and a handful of corporations. </span></div>
<div style="right: auto;"><span style="right: auto;"></span> </div>
<div style="right: auto;"><span style="right: auto;">Donovan
Arnold</span></div>
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font-size: 12pt;"><font face="Arial" size="2">
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Wayne
Price <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:bear@moscow.com"><bear@moscow.com></a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Donovan
Arnold <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com"><donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com></a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> Bill
London <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:london@moscow.com"><london@moscow.com></a>; vision2020
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><vision2020@moscow.com></a>; nancy chaney
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:nchaney@moscow.com"><nchaney@moscow.com></a>; Tom Lamar
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:tlamar@moscow.com"><tlamar@moscow.com></a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b>
Friday, September 2, 2011 6:15 PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b>
Re: [Vision2020] who pays for <span id="misspell-2"
class="mark">Megaload</span> cops?<br>
</font><br>
<div style="right: auto;" id="yiv552730439">Donovan,
<div><br>
</div>
<div>IF you can prove that, contact me off line and I'll
give you a point of contact at the US Attorney's Office
to get in touch with.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><span id="misspell-3" class="mark">WMP</span></div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
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<div><br>
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<div><br>
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<div><br>
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<div style="right: auto;"><br>
<div style="right: auto;">
<div>On <span id="misspell-4" class="mark">Sep</span>
2, 2011, at 5:05 PM, Donovan Arnold wrote:</div>
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<div><span>Wayne,</span></div>
<div><span></span> </div>
<div><span>No, they didn't. They paid the
politicians to change the law and make the
people pay for the cost of the permit. </span></div>
<div><span></span> </div>
<div><span>Donovan Arnold</span></div>
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york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;">
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<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b>
Wayne Price <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:bear@moscow.com"
rel="nofollow" target="_blank"
ymailto="mailto:bear@moscow.com">bear@moscow.com</a>><br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b>
Bill London <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:london@moscow.com"
rel="nofollow" target="_blank"
ymailto="mailto:london@moscow.com">london@moscow.com</a>><br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b>
vision2020 <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"
rel="nofollow" target="_blank"
ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a>>;
nancy chaney <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:nchaney@moscow.com"
rel="nofollow" target="_blank"
ymailto="mailto:nchaney@moscow.com">nchaney@moscow.com</a>>;
Tom Lamar <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:tlamar@moscow.com"
rel="nofollow" target="_blank"
ymailto="mailto:tlamar@moscow.com">tlamar@moscow.com</a>><br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b>
Friday, September 2, 2011 5:35 PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b>
Re: [Vision2020] who pays for <span
id="yiv552730439misspell-2"
class="yiv552730439mark"><span
id="misspell-7" class="mark">Megaload</span></span>
cops?<br>
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<div style="right: auto;" id="yiv552730439">Bill,
<div><br>
</div>
<div>EXXON paid for the permit which gave
them the right to transport the loads
legally.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Wayne</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
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<div><br>
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<div style="right: auto;"><br>
<div>
<div>On <span
id="yiv552730439misspell-3"
class="yiv552730439mark"><span
id="misspell-8" class="mark">Sep</span></span>
2, 2011, at 4:29 PM, Bill London
wrote:</div>
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class="yiv552730439Apple-interchange-newline">
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<div><span
id="yiv552730439misspell-4"
class="yiv552730439mark"><span
id="misspell-9"
class="mark">WMP</span></span>-</div>
<div>my point exactly</div>
<div>Exxon wants to play,
Exxon should pay</div>
<div>BL</div>
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<div><b>From:</b> <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
title="bear@moscow.com" href="mailto:bear@moscow.com" rel="nofollow"
target="_blank"
ymailto="mailto:bear@moscow.com">Wayne
Price</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b>
Friday, September 02,
2011 4:21 PM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
title="london@moscow.com" href="mailto:london@moscow.com" rel="nofollow"
target="_blank"
ymailto="mailto:london@moscow.com">Bill
London</a> </div>
<div><b>Cc:</b> <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
title="vision2020@moscow.com" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"
rel="nofollow"
target="_blank"
ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020</a>
; <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
title="nchaney@moscow.com" href="mailto:nchaney@moscow.com"
rel="nofollow"
target="_blank"
ymailto="mailto:nchaney@moscow.com">nancy
chaney</a> ; <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
title="tlamar@moscow.com" href="mailto:tlamar@moscow.com" rel="nofollow"
target="_blank"
ymailto="mailto:tlamar@moscow.com">Tom
Lamar</a> </div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re:
[Vision2020] who pays
for <span
id="yiv552730439misspell-7"
class="yiv552730439mark"><span id="misspell-12" class="mark">Megaload</span></span>
cops?</div>
</div>
</div>
<div> </div>
</div>
<div style="font-style:
normal; display: inline;
font-family: 'Calibri';
color: rgb(0, 0, 0);
font-size: 13px;
font-weight: normal;
text-decoration: none;">Didn't
advocate making them "so
expensive that those rights
disappear", but what is
wrong with you play, YOU
pay?
<div> </div>
<div><span
id="yiv552730439misspell-8"
class="yiv552730439mark"><span
id="misspell-13"
class="mark">WMP</span></span><br>
<div> </div>
<div> </div>
<div>
<div> </div>
<div>
<div>On <span
id="yiv552730439misspell-9"
class="yiv552730439mark"><span id="misspell-14" class="mark">Sep</span></span>
2, 2011, at 4:16 PM,
Bill London wrote:</div>
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<div><span
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class="yiv552730439mark"><span id="misspell-15" class="mark">WMP</span></span>-</div>
<div>so your
goal is to
make freedom
of expression
and civil
disobedience
so expensive
that those
rights
disappear?</div>
<div>BL</div>
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<div><b>From:</b>
<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
title="bear@moscow.com" href="mailto:bear@moscow.com" rel="nofollow"
target="_blank"
ymailto="mailto:bear@moscow.com">Wayne Price</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b>
Friday,
September 02,
2011 2:05 PM</div>
<div><b>To:</b>
<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
title="london@moscow.com" href="mailto:london@moscow.com" rel="nofollow"
target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:london@moscow.com">Bill London</a> </div>
<div><b>Cc:</b>
<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
title="vision2020@moscow.com" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"
rel="nofollow"
target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020</a> ;
<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
title="nchaney@moscow.com" href="mailto:nchaney@moscow.com"
rel="nofollow"
target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:nchaney@moscow.com">nancy chaney</a> ; <a
moz-do-not-send="true" title="tlamar@moscow.com"
href="mailto:tlamar@moscow.com"
rel="nofollow"
target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:tlamar@moscow.com">Tom Lamar</a> </div>
<div><b>Subject:</b>
Re:
[Vision2020]
who pays for <span
id="yiv552730439misspell-13" class="yiv552730439mark"><span
id="misspell-18"
class="mark">Megaload</span></span>
cops?</div>
</div>
</div>
<div> </div>
</div>
<div
style="font-style:
normal;
display:
inline;
font-family:
'Calibri';
color: rgb(0,
0, 0);
font-size:
13px;
font-weight:
normal;
text-decoration:
none;">So,
some
protesters
show up and
the local
police respond
and you want
the folks that
have the
permits to
pay?
<div>WHEN the
protesters
break the
laws, their
fines should
pay for the
disturbances
they cause.
Now, who
decided some
25 additional
police
officers were
needed?<br>
<div> </div>
<div>That dog
won't hunt!</div>
<div> </div>
<div> </div>
<div><span
id="yiv552730439misspell-14"
class="yiv552730439mark"><span id="misspell-19" class="mark">WMP</span></span><br>
<div> </div>
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<div> </div>
<div> </div>
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<div> </div>
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<div> </div>
<div>
<div>On <span
id="yiv552730439misspell-15" class="yiv552730439mark"><span
id="misspell-20"
class="mark">Sep</span></span>
2, 2011, at
1:38 PM, Bill
London wrote:</div>
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<div>According
to newspaper
reports, about
25 local cops
(17 Moscow, 9
county) were
at the latest
<span
id="yiv552730439misspell-16"
class="yiv552730439mark"><span id="misspell-21" class="mark">megaloads</span></span>
confrontation
Thurs night in
downtown
Moscow.</div>
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id="yiv552730439yui-ie-cursor"></var></div>
<div>Who is
paying for all
the overtime
for those
officers? I
called David
Duke (Moscow
police chief)
who said that
we are. The
taxpayers.
You. Me.
Us. We are
spending money
to help the
world’s
richest
corporation
(Exxon/Mobil)
get their
equipment
delivered on
time.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Thankfully,
Duke said that
the city
council will
be discussing
this issue on
Tuesday (Sept
6) at their
regular
meeting. I
hope the
council tells
Exxon to pay
those costs.
</div>
<div> </div>
<div>BL</div>
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