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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Verdana>It has been the so-called liberals on this site
who have raised the loudest cry against child sexual abuse, spousal sexual
abuse, and similar criminal abuses. That such liberals are against such
abhorrent practices doesn't mean that they are against freedom of sexual
expression between consenting adults.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Verdana></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Verdana>On the other hand, the conservatives, here and
elsewhere, have been mostly mute on these child abuse subjects.
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Verdana></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Verdana>In fact, Paul, you were one of the conservatives
defending allowing admitted serial pedophiles such as Steven Sitler the absolute
right to marry and to make children. The conservatives, for example, are
more interested in railing against gays and gay marriage or at least questioning
the value of allowing such marriages than taking a vigorous stand against child
sexual molestation and exploitation.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Verdana>The ultimate hypocrite, Douglas Wilson, has, in
his now diminishing pseudo-ministry, been a screeching railer against
pornography. But all of a sudden faced with declining cult membership,
interest in himself and crackpot quasi-theology, and most importantly to him,
declining revenue, has resorted to the always successful formula "Sex
Sells." In doing so Wilson hypocritically endorses and promulgates
the notion that Mark Driscoll's Blue Movies from Jesus visions are of
important spiritual and doctrinal value to his Reformed community despite
the fact that the possibility of any visions from Christ are in complete
conflict with Wilson's avowed </FONT><FONT size=2 face=Verdana>cessationist
theological dogma.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Verdana>Perhaps, you didn't understand</FONT> <FONT
size=2 face=Verdana>what I wrote before:</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face=Verdana>Almost everyone has sexual
fantasies of various kinds and intensities. Mark Driscoll is entitled to
his. But for him to claim they are visions from God is delusional, and to
broadcast and to celebrate them as such is beyond outré. And when
crackpots/con artists like Wilson who intentionally and for profit promulgate
such delusions and celebrations, especially when contrary to their alleged
theological beliefs in the name of their alleged God, one can easily see why
Rose proclaims: "Worse than anything I could imagine."</FONT></DIV></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Verdana></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Verdana>Here is where I disagree with Rose's "Worse
than anything I could imagine." From my point of view and state of
knowledge, my opinion is there is nothing that I could imagine that Wilson would
not do to further, to defend, or to protect himself, his sources of revenue, his
unquenchable desire for attention and admiration, his desire for power and
control, his will to establish a theocracy, etc.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Verdana>Paul, you write:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Verdana></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN><FONT color=#0000ff>"I must have crossed over into Opposite Land last
night when I went to sleep."</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Verdana></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Verdana>Not such much. Just another of your cheap
rhetorical tricks of twisting what has been said to set up a bale of straw to
attack. But I agree in a way with the quote, except that "last night"
should read "many years ago" and "Opposite Land" should read "Just to Be
Contrary Land."</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Verdana></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Verdana></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Verdana>w.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A
title="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com CTRL + Click to follow link"
href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">Paul Rumelhart</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, August 23, 2011 9:47 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A
title="mailto:deco@moscow.com CTRL + Click to follow link"
href="mailto:deco@moscow.com">Art Deco</A> ; <A
title="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com CTRL + Click to follow link"
href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com">Moscow Vision 2020</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] No Guts, Misquotes, & Mark
Driscoll</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN>Odd.</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN>Traditionally, it's the liberal community's job to defend all things
sexual in nature from the ire of offended puritanical right-wing
fundamentalists.</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN>I must have crossed over into Opposite Land last night when I went to
sleep. How do you get back? Find the portal and travel away from
it? Don't look for it at all and fall into it by mistake?</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><BR><SPAN></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN>I hope I figure it out soon. On the plus side, Facebook is a
lot more private here and Microsoft is working hard to get Windows on 10% of
user's desktops.<BR></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN>Paul<BR></SPAN></DIV>
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<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> Art Deco
<deco@moscow.com><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B>
Moscow Vision 2020 <Vision2020@moscow.com><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Tuesday, August 23, 2011 9:14
AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> [Vision2020] No
Guts, Misquotes, & Mark Driscoll<BR></FONT><BR>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Verdana>With all the buzz about the Christ Church Cult's
scheduling of sexually obsessed so-called pastor Mark Driscoll who receives
pornographic visions from Jesus, a couple of interest comments have passed
almost unnoticed.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Verdana>Vera White commented briefly about the latest
Wilson-steps-on-his-dick-again snafu in last week's <I>Ink.
</I><B> </B>[See complete <I>Ink</I> comment below].</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Verdana></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Verdana></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Verdana>One paragraph is of special
interest:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Verdana></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 7.5pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 3.75pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 3.75pt"
class=yiv1737482642MsoNormal><SPAN
style="BACKGROUND: #f4f4f4; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><FONT
color=#0000ff>The INKster tried for two days to reach Wilson for comment, but
was told he was busy with back-to-back meetings. She did however talk to
Assistant Pastor Mike Lawyer Friday who explained the conference might attract
"people from all over the world" and the agenda would include a Minister's
Conference for men titled "The Puritan Five," and for females a session called
"Dangerous Women."<U></U><U></U></FONT></SPAN></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Verdana></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Verdana>First, Wilson, whose invitation to Driscoll and
inept, illogical defense of that invitation has been widely criticized and
lampooned in the Reformed Community of which Wilson is the alleged
leader(at least for now), hasn't got the courage to discuss it very far
outside his own cloistered circle. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Verdana></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Verdana>Second, a friend who is not on V2020 but
reads the <I>Ink</I> asked me if it was possible that Mike Lawyer possibly
misspoke or was misquoted in the above paragraph. She wonders instead of
<FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #f4f4f4" color=#0000ff size=3
face="Times New Roman">"people from all over the world"<FONT
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" color=#000000 size=2 face=Verdana>,
</FONT></FONT></FONT><FONT size=2 face=Verdana>what was really should have
appeared was "perverts from all over the world."</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Verdana></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Verdana></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Verdana>w.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Verdana>____________________________</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Verdana></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Verdana>Vera White, <I>The Ink, Moscow-Pullman Daily
News</I></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Verdana></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Verdana>....</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Verdana>
<DIV style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 7.5pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 3.75pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 3.75pt"
class=yiv1737482642MsoNormal><SPAN
style="BACKGROUND: #f4f4f4; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 9pt"><U></U><U></U></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 7.5pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 3.75pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 3.75pt"
class=yiv1737482642MsoNormal><SPAN
style="BACKGROUND: #f4f4f4; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">The INKster had never
heard of Pastor Mark Driscoll of Mars Hill Church in Seattle until the outraged
postings started appearing on Vision2020 this week. What stirred up such solid
citizens as Saundra Lund of Moscow is<U></U><U></U></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 7.5pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 3.75pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 3.75pt"
class=yiv1737482642MsoNormal><SPAN
style="BACKGROUND: #f4f4f4; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Nazarene Church
Pastor Ed Eby's willingness to rent his Church for an appearance by
Driscoll.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 7.5pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 3.75pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 3.75pt"
class=yiv1737482642MsoNormal><SPAN
style="BACKGROUND: #f4f4f4; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">"I cannot imagine
that the community will be overly impressed that the Nazarene Church has rented
itself out for a 'sexinar,' " Lund concluded.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 7.5pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 3.75pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 3.75pt"
class=yiv1737482642MsoNormal><SPAN
style="BACKGROUND: #f4f4f4; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">In Eby's defense, he
rented out his church to Doug Wilson and Christ Church elders, sponsors of
Driscoll's appearance next month at a conference titled "The Grace Agenda: All
of Christ for All of Life for All The World."<U></U><U></U></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 7.5pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 3.75pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 3.75pt"
class=yiv1737482642MsoNormal><SPAN
style="BACKGROUND: #f4f4f4; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Driscoll has a blog
on which in 2008 he answered such questions as: Can I perform anal sex on my
wife? Can we use sex toys? My wife likes to masturbate me upon occasion and
wants to know how to get better at it. What should she
do?<U></U><U></U></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 7.5pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 3.75pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 3.75pt"
class=yiv1737482642MsoNormal><SPAN
style="BACKGROUND: #f4f4f4; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">The INKster tried for
two days to reach Wilson for comment, but was told he was busy with back-to-back
meetings. She did however talk to Assistant Pastor Mike Lawyer Friday who
explained the conference might attract "people from all over the world" and the
agenda would include a Minister's Conference for men titled "The Puritan Five,"
and for females a session called "Dangerous Women."<U></U><U></U></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 7.5pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 3.75pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 3.75pt"
class=yiv1737482642MsoNormal><SPAN
style="BACKGROUND: #f4f4f4; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">How well does Lawyer
know Driscoll?<U></U><U></U></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 7.5pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 3.75pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 3.75pt"
class=yiv1737482642MsoNormal><SPAN
style="BACKGROUND: #f4f4f4; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">"I've read some of
his recent stuff," Lawyer said. "We feel his stuff is appropriate and like him
as far as we know. We respect him and his ministry."<U></U><U></U></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 7.5pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 3.75pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 3.75pt"
class=yiv1737482642MsoNormal><SPAN
style="BACKGROUND: #f4f4f4; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">The INKster tried to
reach Eby but ended up talking to temporary church secretary Mary Jane
Bauer.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 7.5pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 3.75pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 3.75pt"
class=yiv1737482642MsoNormal><SPAN
style="BACKGROUND: #f4f4f4; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">"Pastor Eby doesn¹t
want to talk about Driscoll right now as he says he is still researching the
matter," said Bauer, who has been a member of the church for 30 years. "I've
never heard of Driscoll, but we rent out the church to many different
groups.²<U></U><U></U></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 7.5pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 3.75pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 3.75pt"
class=yiv1737482642MsoNormal><SPAN
style="BACKGROUND: #f4f4f4; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">After the INKster
explained a bit about Driscoll's style, Bauer said she "highly doubts she will
be attending."<U></U><U></U></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 7.5pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 3.75pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 3.75pt"
class=yiv1737482642MsoNormal><SPAN
style="BACKGROUND: #f4f4f4; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">...the blotter
rests.</SPAN></DIV></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Verdana>______________________</FONT><FONT size=2
face=Verdana>_</FONT></DIV>
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