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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Verdana>Saundra,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Verdana></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Verdana>I agree that reducing or (very hopefully)
eventually elimination the national debt requires reductions in spending and
increases in revenue -- the latter through some tax rate changes and especially
through axing the incredible number of special interest tax breaks found in the
66,000+ pages of the current federal tax code and also within the various state
tax codes.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Verdana></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Verdana>Many see the entitlement programs as welfare for
individuals. Most of the tax breaks in the tax codes are welfare for large
corporations and other organizations -- let's not be hypocrites about
it.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Verdana></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Verdana>There is another national debt not recorded in
the so-called national debt -- the widespread deterioration of
infrastructure. On two recent trips across the country the wretched
condition of the highway system, especially parts of the Interstate System are
obvious. Some is this is being addressed by the stimulus package although
some of the quality of these hastily organized projects seems a bit
dubious. But the money it will cost to eventually repair roads and bridges
is astronomical. Roads and bridges are only a part of the ailing
infrastructure problem.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Verdana></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Verdana>I am afraid there are many who do not expect to
pay for services. The USPS is a prime example. They are and have
been operating in the red for a long time. However, the US has one of the
lowest first class postal rates in the industrial world. Even our neighbor
Canada charges $0.69 for a first class letter.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Verdana></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Verdana>If people, teabaggers or not, are not willing to
pay the real cost of postage, what hope is there that they will pay to pay off
the debt all of us have helped to incur, pay to keep the infrastructure that all
of us benefit from adequately maintained, etc?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Verdana></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Verdana>This is the age of greed, ignorance, arrogance,
and big lies. I see no sign that this will change. I see no sign of
any national leadership in either party with the guts to reverse this pathetic,
destructive condition.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Verdana></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Verdana>w.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Verdana></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Verdana></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #f5f5f5">
<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A
title="mailto:v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm CTRL + Click to follow link"
href="mailto:v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm">Saundra Lund</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, August 06, 2011 10:00 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=thansen@moscow.com
href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">'Tom Hansen'</A> ; <A
title="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com CTRL + Click to follow link"
href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">'Donovan Arnold'</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">'Moscow Vision 2020'</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] CNN Breaking News</DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV class=WordSection1>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d">Selective quoting
yet again, eh, Gary?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d">For those
interested, here’s the link to the article Gary is
quoting:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d"><A
href="http://tinyurl.com/WP-S-P-Downgrades">http://tinyurl.com/WP-S-P-Downgrades</A><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d">Of course, anyone
listening to reputable news and <B>not</B> selectively quoting is aware of this
little gem, which is also in the article Gary selectively quoted
from:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN>“The majority of Republicans in Congress
continue to resist any measure that would raise revenues,” the firm
said.”</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d">So, yes, let’s be
sure to be honest about the teabaggers’ role in this fiasco: they are
apparently too economics challenged to understand that the US simply
<B>cannot</B> appropriately deal with our debt <B>without increasing revenue</B>
as well as addressing spending. That ignorance plays a significant –
perhaps <B>the most</B> significant -- role in this
disaster.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d">And, the current GOP
leadership obviously lacks the backbone to stand up to these lunatics who are
willing to absolutely destroy this country’s economy in the name of their flawed
ideology.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d">Perhaps a great
example is the FAA deauthorization – they were so stupid they thought they were
saving taxpayers money (as well as attacking the hard working American men &
women who make up airlines) by preventing the FAA from collecting taxes.
But, what really happened? The same damn thing that happens nearly every
time we give big corporations a “break”: the airlines ran with their
corporate greed & simply jacked up ticket prices.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d">As near as I can
tell, the ‘baggers either think greed is a virtue or are as stupid as their hero
Greenspan was about the pervasiveness of greed & the loss of humanity,
compassion, and caring for others in America.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d">They must be so
proud.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d">Which speaks volumes
about what’s gone wrong with this country – greed & ignorance trump
all.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Saundra
Lund<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Moscow,
ID<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">The
only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do
nothing.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">~
Edmund Burke<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">*****
Original material contained herein is Copyright 2011 through life plus 70 years,
Saundra Lund. Do not copy, forward, excerpt, or reproduce outside the
Vision 2020 forum without the express written permission of the
author.*****<o:p></o:p></SPAN></B></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">
vision2020-bounces@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com] <B>On
Behalf Of </B>Gary Crabtree<BR><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, August 06, 2011 7:19
AM<BR><B>To:</B> Tom Hansen; Donovan Arnold<BR><B>Cc:</B> Moscow Vision
2020<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] CNN Breaking
News<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">From today's
Washington Post</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">"...</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black">the bipartisan agreement reached this week to find at least
$2.1 trillion in budget savings “fell short” of what was necessary to tame
the nation’s debt over time and predicted that leaders would not be likely to
achieve more savings in the future."</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Was it the Tea Party
that was fighting tooth nail in favor of raising the debt limit
to an absolute all time high with no spending reductions what so ever? Was it
the Tea party that would have no part of the cut, cap, and balance plan or the
Mack penny plan that would have put the country on a path to solvency? Can you
point to a single democrat/progressive plan that might have had as a result
even a slight reduction in the countries debt burden? Heck, with two years
of total government control they couldn't even pass a
budget.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">The bond rating
agencies want to see spending and the debt required to perpetuate it brought
under control, a goal that is at the very heart of the "Tea Party
stench."</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">g</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<P style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <A
title="mailto:thansen@moscow.com CTRL + Click to follow link"
href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">Tom Hansen</A> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Sent:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> Friday, August 05,
2011 7:13 PM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">To:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <A
title="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com CTRL + Click to follow link"
href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">Donovan Arnold</A>
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Cc:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <A
title=vision2020@moscow.com href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">Moscow Vision
2020</A> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Subject:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> Re: [Vision2020]
CNN Breaking News<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>This downgrading, if adopted by the other two rating firms,
has more of an adverse impact than you suggest, Mr. Arnold.<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>Do you realize that most, if not all, 301Ks are committed to
investments with AAA ratings ONLY?<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>The result could be catastrophic <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>Seeya round town, Moscow.<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>Tom Hansen<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>Moscow, Idaho<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>"The Pessimist complains about the wind, the Optimist expects
it to change <SPAN class=apple-style-span>and the Realist adjusts his
sails."</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>- Unknown<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class=MsoNormal><BR>On Aug 5, 2011, at 18:57,
Donovan Arnold <<A
href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com</A>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="MARGIN-TOP: 5pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 5pt">
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<DIV>
<P style="BACKGROUND: white" class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black">The
good thing about a democracy is you get what you voted for. And the bad thing
about democracy is you get what you voted for. Unfortunately, it is going to
take much more than a downgrade of AAA to AA+ from S&P to make the
American people respond to this economic crisis. I heard on NPR today that
only 58% of the adult US population is employed. Scary!
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P style="BACKGROUND: white" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P style="BACKGROUND: white" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: black">Donovan Arnold<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P style="BACKGROUND: white" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt; BACKGROUND: white" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> Tom
Hansen <<A
href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">thansen@moscow.com</A>><BR><B>To:</B>
Moscow Vision 2020 <<A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A>><BR><B>Sent:</B>
Friday, August 5, 2011 7:17 PM<BR><B>Subject:</B> [Vision2020] CNN Breaking
News<BR></SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><BR>Read on, V-Peeps.<BR><BR>More
"good" news to pass on to the Tea Party stench, the cause behind
this<BR>downgrade.<BR><BR><A
href="http://money.cnn.com/2011/08/05/news/economy/downgrade_rumors/index.htm">http://money.cnn.com/2011/08/05/news/economy/downgrade_rumors/index.htm</A><BR><BR>The
downfall of the market this week may foreshadow things to come.<BR><BR>Seeya
round town, Moscow.<BR><BR>Tom Hansen<BR>Moscow, Idaho<BR><BR>"Believe we're
gliding down the highway<BR>When in fact we're slip slidin' away."<BR><BR>-
Paul Simon<BR><BR><BR>---------------------------- Original Message
----------------------------<BR>Subject: CNN Breaking News<BR>From:
"CNN Breaking News" <<A
href="mailto:BreakingNews@mail.cnn.com">BreakingNews@mail.cnn.com</A>><BR>Date:
Fri, August 5, 2011 5:31 pm<BR>To: <A
href="mailto:textbreakingnews@EMA3LSV06.TURNER.COM">textbreakingnews@EMA3LSV06.TURNER.COM</A><BR>--------------------------------------------------------------------------<BR><BR><BR>Rating
agency Standard & Poor's says it has downgraded the U.S. credit<BR>rating
to AA+ from its top rank of AAA.<BR><BR>Rating agencies analyze risk and give
debt a "grade" that reflects the<BR>borrower's ability to pay the underlying
loans.<BR><BR>The safest bets are stamped AAA. That's where U.S. debt stood
for
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