<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span>You make a good point. The only thing we know about these records is that they are notable for being at least of a magnitude to have broken the previous record for that day of the year. We don't know how their magnitudes compare with each other. However, I still find the direction the author took as being strange. He or she didn't appear to have any information about their relative magnitudes, either. So here is what there was to start from:</span></div><div><br><span></span></div><div><span>1. 1966 maximum temperature records were broken between July 1 and July 23.</span></div><div><span>2. 4376 minimum temperature records were broken between July 1 and July 23.</span></div><div><br><span></span></div><div><span>The author could have added any of the following to his or her
article: an explanation of what climate scientists thought might be causing the increase in maximum temperature records, an explanation of what they thought might be causing the increase in minimum temperature records, and/or an explanation of what they thought might have been causing them to happen together.</span></div><div><br><span></span></div><div><span>The author ultimately focused only on the first one. I still find that odd. It looks like the author missed out on what could possibly been a more informative article. I'm still intrigued by the fact that they are happening at the same time, which seems far more notable to me than this run-of-the-mill "CO2 is killing us" article suggests.<br></span></div><div><br><span></span></div><div><span>Paul<br></span></div><div><br></div><div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"><div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif;
font-size: 12pt;"><font face="Arial" size="2"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Art Deco <deco@moscow.com><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> vision2020@moscow.com<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Thursday, July 28, 2011 11:44 AM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Vision2020] Climate science temperature records and the media<br></font><br><meta http-equiv="x-dns-prefetch-control" content="off"><div id="yiv868945782">
<div><font face="Verdana" size="2">Suppose you were an airline looking to set fares
on the basis of costs, including fuel.</font></div>
<div><font face="Verdana" size="2"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Verdana" size="2">One element of fuel cost is the weight of
the passengers.</font></div>
<div><font face="Verdana" size="2"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Verdana" size="2">Suppose for a month there were 1966
passengers over the average weight and 4376 passengers under the average
weight. Should you then contemplate lowering fares?</font></div>
<div><font face="Verdana" size="2"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Verdana" size="2">Suppose that the average over the average
weight passenger was 30 pounds per passenger while the average under the
average weight per passenger was 1 pound per passenger.</font></div>
<div><font face="Verdana" size="2"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Verdana" size="2">Hence, the total weight change would be 1966 x 30
- 4276 x 1 = 58980 - 4276 = 54704 more than the average.</font></div>
<div><font face="Verdana" size="2"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Verdana" size="2">Hence, even though there were less over the
average weight passengers, there accumulated mass was a lot more than the
accumulated mass of the under the average weight passengers.</font></div>
<div><font face="Verdana" size="2"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Verdana" size="2">Just looking a raw under the average
counts of anything does not reveal any conclusions beyond those
counts.</font></div>
<div><font face="Verdana" size="2"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Verdana" size="2">Also, if for only one month out of
twelve the under the average weight passengers outnumbered the over the
average weight passengers, drawing conclusions from such a single month
count would likely lead to an error.</font></div>
<div><font face="Verdana" size="2"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Verdana" size="2">I have not analyzed the numbers you have referred
to in context, but unless you can show that no errors like as those shown above
occurred, your question is not due serious consideration.</font></div>
<div><font face="Verdana" size="2"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Verdana" size="2">Perhaps you might gain some insight from both the
following easy to understand books:</font></div>
<div><font face="Verdana" size="2"></font> </div>
<div><i><font face="Verdana" size="2">How to Lie with Statistics</font></i></div>
<div><i><font face="Verdana" size="2">Proofiness</font></i></div>
<div><font face="Verdana" size="2"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Verdana" size="2">w.</font></div>
<div><font face="Verdana" size="2"></font> </div>
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<div><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 27, 2011 7:09 AM</div>
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<div><b>Subject:</b> [Vision2020] Climate science temperature records and the
media</div></div></div>
<div><br></div>I ran into this story in the Seattle Times that came out
yesterday:<br><br><a rel="nofollow" title="http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2015737378_heatrecords27.html
CTRL + Click to follow link" target="_blank" href="http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2015737378_heatrecords27.html">http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2015737378_heatrecords27.html</a><br><br>It
basically talks about the fact that there were 1,966 high temperature
<br>records broken or tied this month (presumably in the US, though they
<br>don't say), and compares that to the odd fact that there were 4,376
<br>minimum temperature records broken in the same period of time (July 1
<br>through July 23). So, instead of contemplating why the focus has been
<br>on the extreme heat when there are twice as many extreme cold records
<br>being broken the article goes on to explain how high temperature records
<br>being broken is an expected part of climate change and how it's tied
<br>into greenhouse gases and how we can expect more and more of that as the
<br>years go by. It then throws in a comment that some natural gas
<br>commodity trading advisor is unsure how extensive any cooling might
be.<br><br>So why is the breaking of 4,376 minimum temperature records in July a
<br>non-issue, but the breaking of 1,966 maximum temperature records in the
<br>same period is fodder for the standard AGW grist mill? Aren't both
<br>anomalies likely equally important?<br><br>If maximum and minimum
temperature records being broken are right in <br>line with anthropogenic global
warming or climate change or whatever, <br>then what kind of weather would
disprove
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