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On 07/19/2011 11:47 AM, Art Deco wrote:
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<div><font face="Verdana">You keep making this stale, irrational
statement disguised as an argument. Maybe if the megaloads
were atomic waste, you see things differently.</font></div>
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I tried to start a thread on the issue of exactly where people place
limits on public road usage, but nobody wanted to play ball. But,
what the hell. If the megaloads contained atomic waste, that would
bring up a clear safety issue that is different than that of the
current megaloads. Do you see any safety issues associated with
these megaloads as they are currently? I don't, and hence I'm not
worried about them from a community safety standpoint.<br>
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<div style="font: 10pt Tahoma;"><font face="Verdana">You must have
loved Kant or Saint Augustine at one time in your life.</font></div>
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No sir, I've never had the pleasure.<br>
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<div style="font: 10pt Tahoma;"><font face="Verdana">People can
always think of reasons not to look </font><font
face="Verdana">too closely at their personal principles to
avoid action to help others. So-called principles are
self-defeating if they prevent one from acting to prevent
horrific consequences. All principles have limits. </font></div>
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If these were cattle cars hauling people to their deaths, you might
have a point. However, it's just a bunch of refinery equipment
being transported to a remote site. I don't wish to set the bar
that low where my principles are concerned. Megaloads, whether they
be "mini" megaloads, "toy" megaloads, or whatever are doing no
discernible harm to Moscow that I can see, beyond some tree-trimming
and a possible noise issue.<br>
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<div style="font: 10pt Tahoma;"><font face="Verdana">I am
personally glad that I will never have to rely upon you when
the chips are down.</font></div>
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Yet, if it happens that I am in a position where you will some day
have to rely upon me, I'll still do my best not to let you down. I
don't discriminate there any more than I do about who I "let" use
the highway that passes through town.<br>
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So I can assume that a principled man like yourself will be lying
down in the middle of the road the next time a megaload of any size
that is destined for the tar sands project rolls through town,
right?<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
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<div style="font: 10pt Tahoma;"><font face="Verdana">w.</font></div>
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<div style=""><b>From:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">Paul Rumelhart</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 19, 2011 10:38 AM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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Deco</a> </div>
<div><b>Cc:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
title="Vision2020@moscow.com"
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<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] Pollyanna Wants to Know:
Who's the Lying Sack of Sh*t?</div>
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On 07/19/2011 09:48 AM, Art Deco wrote:
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<div><font face="Verdana" size="2">Saundra,</font></div>
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<div><font face="Verdana" size="2">Thank you again for pointing
out that the consequences of the megaloads far transcend
local considerations -- a point that proponents either
refuse to recognize or have not the guts to deal in an
honest manner with.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Verdana" size="2">Several of us have commented
at length on these issues, but basically proponents act like
no one has brought them up, that they are unimportant,
and/or irrelevant. Obviously the proponents are not the "my
brother's keeper type" and are among those that are
generally parts of problems but not parts of solutions.
Part of the tough problems that our country and the world
now face are caused by similar individuals though
capable are unwilling to do or to pay their share.</font></div>
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The evils of the tar sands project *is* irrelevant to whether or
not we should allow them to move through town on public roads.
That's the downside to public roads. You can't control what
people do on them, apart from making sure they obey the law. The
upside is that no one can control what *you* do on them. They
can't, for example, decide that you can't use the road because you
are against the tar sands project. That egalitarian freedom is
something I think is important, though you seem willing to throw
it under the bus as soon as it stops being convenient for you.<br>
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Now, I don't know why you (and others) feel the need to conflate
my support for that one simple idea into some kind of tacit
approval of the tar sands project itself. Certainly claiming that
you know that I am somehow "part of the problem" is simply
asinine.<br>
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So, when are you going to don your armor and your lance and march
on the tar sands project? Or are *you* part of the problem?<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
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