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This is how many see the megaloads, but with a little less risk, as there are far fewer megaloads than drunk driving Idaho politicians. : )<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:red'>Ok, at this point you’ve put up a straw-man argument. We can certainly agree that your analogy is not safe, wise, or really a good idea anywhere and carries obvious risks… but drunk legislators LEGALLY careening through town in stolen vehicles (if it was deemed LEGAL, is the vehicle still stolen? hmmmm….) doesn’t really have much to do with ACTUAL legal large truckloads of equipment coming through town. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:red'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:red'>(Now… if you have John McGee behind the wheel of a MEGALOAD while wearing a NASCAR SUIT… NOW you’ve got good television. (Probably much less “CSI” and more “Survivor”)).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>The assessment of the risk is one of the issues with the megaloads. The other issue of course is the fact that Moscow residents were not heard before a decision was made. Both of these are important factors. While size does matter, I could get over the issue of size of the loads if it could be demonstrated as virtually no risk and the roads would be OK, and ExxonMobile paid a retainer large enough to cover the cost of any incident. However, not having the people heard when their safety, health, and property are at issue, I cannot let that go. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:red'>You will never get this guarantee… I have shocking news: EVERYTHING in life carries risk. It’s the root of the entire insurance industry. Walking down the street and crossing in a cross-walk carries risk of getting hit by a car. Eating cherries carries the risk of choking. (Didn’t I read that Exxon already posted a $10M bond to cover any damage, and has agreed to cover the cost of any incident/accident above that amount? Or is this going to lead back into the “immeasureable damage” argument and the “liars and cheaters” line?) <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><em><span style='color:blue'>"(If I remember correctly, the “prototype” megaload weighed in at 500,000 pounds, and had 140 tires… according to the guy I talked to down there, the “prototype” was designed to be the LARGEST and the HEAVIEST of the loads so that testing could be done” (to paraphrase). So, 80,000 pounds divided by 18 tires gives you something like 4400 pounds per tire. 500,000 pounds divided by 140 tires give you 3500 pounds per tire."</span> </em><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>It doesn't matter how many tires you stick on the load when it comes to total gross weight unless the load is 18 times longer too. In which case you will have other issues to consider because your load would be 52 ft x 18, so it would be 936 ft long. Or the length of more than 3 football fields. Further, those tires are not as capable of holding as much weight as the larger tires on an 18 or 20 wheel tracker trailer. The roads are not designed to handle that weight over many loads. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:red'>I’m going to go out on limb and assume you’re not an engineer. The only thing I could find that was CORRECT in this past paragraph was that 52X18 = 936.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:red'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal>“It doesn't matter how many tires you stick on the load when it comes to total gross weight unless the load is 18 times longer too.” <span style='color:red'>Ummm… yes it does. Pressure is the force an object exerts over a surface area… (P = F/A). Increase the surface area for a given amount of force, and you decrease the amount of pressure (weight). It’s why snowshoes let you walk across the snow without falling in… and why lying on a bed of nails is actually a parlor trick. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:red'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>“</span>In which case you will have other issues to consider because your load would be 52 ft x 18, so it would be 936 ft long”.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:red'>You are correct. 52X18 = 932. And if a megaload was 932 feet long, there would be other issues to be concerned with.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:red'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>“</span>Further, those tires are not as capable of holding as much weight as the larger tires on an 18 or 20 wheel tracker trailer”<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:red'>…. Well, that’s the… but you… what? Size of the tire has nothing to do with its ability to “hold as much weight”. Unless you’re trying to convey the idea of “contact patch (the total contact area the tire makes with the road.... smaller tire yields a smaller contact patch than a larger tire, so therefore applies more force). Since force is only applied in a direction perpendicular to the object (in this case DOWN on the road), the solution is pretty simple… add more tires to increase your total “contact patch” This is why signs like this exist:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:red'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:red'><img width=104 height=116 id="Picture_x0020_1" src="cid:image001.png@01CC4538.28EABFA0"></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:red'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:red'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:red'>(It’s also the reason why many trucks have those “runt” axles… so under heavier loads they can be lowered to displace more weight… and why so many pickup trucks around here have double-rear-wheel axles).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:red'><img width=433 height=188 id="Picture_x0020_2" src="cid:image002.png@01CC4539.ABE4C210"></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:red'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:red'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:red'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>“</span>The roads are not designed to handle that weight over many loads. “<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:red'>Well, I suppose it could be argued that the highway engineers didn’t have megaloads in mind when they designed the system… but mathematically it seems to work out. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>We are not going to agree on economics and the role and responsibilities that citizens and businessmen, and companies need to have. <span style='color:red'> (Probably not… that what my super-spidey sense tells me anyway…)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:red'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal>I don't believe that a company should be able to profit from slave labor or stolen goods. <span style='color:red'>Well, enterprises that believe this are generally classified as either “overseers” or “mafia”. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:red'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal>Goods and services from exploited children should be ostracized from the US and Western Markets. <span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:red'>This is a death-trap argument because it contains the words “exploited” and “children”… but I wonder if you actually know what you’re talking about here, and whether you are under the assumption that “if children didn’t work, they would be allowed to play in the yard with their friends and go to school”. In many countries (sadly), the options are simply “work or starve”. I’m not coming out in favor of child slave-labor… I’m merely pointing out in many cases, if a child can’t EARN, they’ll simply die. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal>I think if jobs go overseas that company should get nothing from the US, and I mean nothing. No military protection overseas, no tax breaks, incentives, social security after retirement, <span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal>nothing. <span style='color:#1F497D'> </span>All US citizens have certain responsibilities to their country regardless of what other occupations or roles they play, not destroying the US economy and thus the country, is one of them. <span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:red'>I was going to try to attempt to address this in parts, (especially since social security is an individual entitlement, not a company “perk”)… but I’m not going to try. If at the heart of your argument you believe that “it’s a company’s responsibility to create domestic jobs”, then you have to agree that lowering domestic barriers for business operations has to be our first priority. You would be amazed at how many birds you could kill with that one stone.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:red'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:red'>On an interesting side question… If the US was SO competitive that other nations started outsourcing their jobs HERE, would you be of the same mind? A business and investor friendly environment here could cause massive unemployment in other nations… would you then reject the labor coming INTO this market? (Warning: it’s a loaded question… and your answer will essentially allow me to judge just how much you grasp of macroeconomics, and whether or not I’ll just roll my eyes in the future).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal>I don't believe greed is an American value, it is anti-American and anti-community. <span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:red'>I’ll assume that you’re not invested in any way in the stock market…. or if you are, you make damned sure that your portfolio is averaging less of a return than the S&P500.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal>We don't live to accumulate wealth, we accumulate wealth so we can live better. When we exploit children to improve the wealth of a few we undermine the purpose of gaining wealth.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:red'>We live to accumulate wealth SO that we can live better. (And I’m not sure where the link of exploiting children comes into this line, but I’ll let it go… we’re drifting FAR FAR away from “megaload” issues). <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Asking me to blame the legislators for the laws instead of ExxonMobile is like blaming the tools instead of the mechanic. I do agree with you on the politicians identifying themselves publicly with lobbyist groups. However, I am not sure I want the people NASCAR uniforms attract deciding our political leaders. : P<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:red'>This is a pretty simple fix… get better tools… elect reps that are in favor of TERM LIMITS and severally restrict (or eliminate) political campaign contributions. Political offices should be another one of the “services to your country”, not a career.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Jay</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br>--- On <b>Sun, 7/17/11, Jay Borden <i><jborden@datawedge.com></i></b> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>From: Jay Borden <jborden@datawedge.com><br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Pollyanna Wants to Know: Who's the Lying Sack of Sh*t?<br>To: "Donovan Arnold" <donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com>, "Saundra Lund" <v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm>, vision2020@moscow.com, "Rosemary Huskey" <donaldrose@cpcinternet.com><br>Date: Sunday, July 17, 2011, 7:41 PM<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>First: I applaud your use of color. </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0><tr><td valign=top style='padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><i><span style='color:blue'> </span></i><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><i><span style='color:blue'>“</span></i><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>So you are saying that this first megaload wrecked a bunch of stuff along the way, hoped no one would notice, and lied about it after the fact? (Or hoped no one would notice?)”</span></i><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:red'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:red'>No, that is not what I am saying. What I am saying is that a risk taken regarding public health and safety is still an equal risk to public health and safety regardless of who witnessed the event. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Ok, that’s different. No one dropped a steak on the floor and handed it back for anyone to eat (so far as we know). Beyond that you can’t really disprove a negative… “PROVE TO ME THIS STEAK WAS NOT DROPPED ON THE FLOOR!” (The analogy is breaking down at this point…). My point: (mini)-megaload passed through without incident… and yet we have people that still think that it “got away with something”…</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>“I am self-employed. My schedule is constantly adjusting and changing. While I talk do TALK to myself often, I generally don’t get mad at myself for making changes in my schedule along the way to accommodate shifting needs and priorities. In addition, if a meeting that I have scheduled is late or is cancelled, I don’t immediately assume some sort of epic cover-up. Life happens.”</span></i><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:red'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:red'>Well, that is great you are self employed, hopefully you won’t ship your job overseas to save your company on the payroll and improve productivity, as I am sure it could. However, most people are not mad at themselves or unwilling to change their schedules, it is that they have consideration for others and is why they stick to their schedules. It is inconsiderate, unprofessional and rude to coworkers, customers, clients, patients, family, and others when you are not where you need to be when you need to be there. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>I will utilize any resource that gets me the best return on my investment (note that “best return” doesn’t automatically mean “cheapest”). That means that if find a less-expensive widget in China that fits my quality needs, I’ll use it. If I find a programmer that has ALL the capabilities that I require in India for LESS money, LESS tax, LESS red-tape, LESS STRINGS, and SAME OR GREATER PRODUCTIVITY, I’m not opposed to using it. If I don’t, then I lose out on the ability to create my product for less money, and therefore lose out to my competition. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>However… one item strikes me in your statement: “hopefully you won’t ship your job overseas to save your company on the payroll and improve productivity, as I am sure it could”…. I know you know nothing about my businesses, but does that mean that you view the function of my business as a job creator as opposed to a wealth creator? (Where my primary function is to keep people employed, regardless of the cost or inefficiencies?)</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><em><span style='color:#1F497D'>“</span></em><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I would say that we probably didn’t get a voice… but since 95 is a state highway, did Moscow actually PAY for the road? (I would have to go look it up, I don’t know how that cash flow works). (But, as an aside… you’re seriously comparing large trucks moving along a state road to the transgressions against Native American Culture?... WOW!)”</span></i><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:red'>Good, I am glad we agree that we didn’t get a voice. Skipping that whole taxation without representation thing gets some of us all in an uproar, throwing tea, start’n revolutions and stuff.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:red'>Yes, 95 is a state highway, and although some people don’t like it, Moscow is a part of Idaho, and thus pays Idaho State Taxes. So that is our money being wasted on the needless road trips. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Ok… does that mean that New Meadows, ID has a right to declare that “no cars registered in Moscow, ID can use 95 through their town”. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>“(But, as an aside… you’re seriously comparing large trucks moving along a state road to the transgressions against Native American Culture?... WOW!)”</span></i><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:red'>I am not comparing atrocities to Native Americans to shipping containers across a highway. Don’t be tossing red herrings. I am comparing the agreement we have to another one that was also one sided. I used Native Americans because if I used the agreement at Waterloo or the Appomattox, I might have been less clear to those unfamiliar with history. And no, I am not comparing it to the Battle of Waterloo or the Civil War either. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Fair enough… we’re taking it down a notch (or twelve). My point is that agreements were reached… permits issued… LEGAL courses of action taken… if Exxon (et all) didn’t give a crap, then they would have just arrogantly started running the megaloads with a big bumper stickers that said, “what are you going to do, impound it?”. Instead, they navigated the (sticky) waters. (Perhaps instead of Native Americans, you should invoke the imagery of “Tammany Hall” if you thought the process was “one-sided, unfair” etc)… </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>“Everything about them… Ok. I get it. You’re pissed off, and even if scientists find that tailpipes emit pure oxygen, you’re going to be angry”. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:red'>Considering that pure oxygen is highly explosive and considering most run on gasoline, yes, I would be very angry. Combustible engines putting out something highly explosive is not safe by even Fox NEWS and </span><span style='color:red'>Rupert Murdoch standards</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:red'>, if they have any, I don’t know about that yet—the jury is still out on that one—literally, they are being selected right now.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Kudos. This is hilarious. Yes, OK. The point I was trying to make is that if you have SO much anger wrapped up in this, what could the megaloads POSSIBLY do but make a mistake? Even to the point where a single “MINI-MEGALOAD” leaving its point of origin (for some unknown reason) EARLY invokes such a reaction? If this initial run left at EXACTLY 10:00PM from Lewiston… STOPPED to eat dinner at a restaurant… STOPPED again to sleep in a hotel… then made it to C’Dlene with NO ONE ELSE NOTICING, what would the email have said? (That the crew was too cheap with the tip for the waitstaff?)</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:red'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>“Our economy is global. America tried the “protectionism” route in the 30’s with Roosevelt… didn’t work out so well.” </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:red'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:red'>And we all know our economy is doing a bang up job now! Please tell that to the millions of Americans out of work today. How is our economy global when all the jobs are going to Asia? Sounds like an Asian economy not a global economy. The root and key word in Global is Glob or Globe, meaning the entire world, which should include US workers. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Ok… “People of America! Your economy is in the toilet and you are out of a job! Please send a copy of “Economics for Dummies” to your representatives in D.C.” (You’ve obviously established yourself as a reasonable individual, so I’m not sure you want to get snarled up in this splinter/tangent … but my opinion: (in a nutshell): The US has excluded itself due to the higher costs of goods production, whether it be from wages, insurance costs (both health and liability), unions, taxes, or legislative red-tape. (Note I’m not picking on ONE, I’m picking on them ALL). Make our production costs competitive again, and our businesses would MUCH rather have an employee LOCALLY than to have to reach across an ocean. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:red'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:red'>However, I am not interested in protectionism, I am interested in not rewarding companies that ship jobs to overseas and bend rules for them at taxpayer expense. There is a big difference between protectionism and favoritism for political gain. ExxonMobile funds the campaigns of the decisions makers and that is a conflict of interest. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Well, I personally believe that our politicians should wear costumes that mimic those of NASCAR so we can see who their campaign contributors are… (wouldn’t you love to see AARP, GE, General Motors, BP logos all over their suits? At least then we would know where their words were coming from). </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>But… again… splinter argument. I tend to should separate out the concepts of “shipping jobs overseas” vs. “rewarding companies”. (Take Boeing and their production of the Dreamliner, for instance…. that’s a perfect example… but I don’t want to digress from “megaloads”… )… </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>“Big difference between an 80,000 pound load divided by 18 wheels vs. 140+ wheels”. </span></i><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:red'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:red'>I am not aware of any truck that has 140+ wheels. The 80,000 lb weight is per truck. Most those trucks will exceed that weight limit. And a truck driver cannot haul over 80,000 and cannot get a permit to do so for the reason ExxonMobile does. They do not have that kind of access to political leaders. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>The megaloads do. I saw one when motorcycling along Highway 12, parked in Lolo Hot Springs. Summary of my point: it’s apples and oranges: (If I remember correctly, the “prototype” megaload weighed in at 500,000 pounds, and had 140 tires… according to the guy I talked to down there, the “prototype” was designed to be the LARGEST and the HEAVIEST of the loads so that testing could be done” (to paraphrase). So, 80,000 pounds divided by 18 tires gives you something like 4400 pounds per tire. 500,000 pounds divided by 140 tires give you 3500 pounds per tire. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:red'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>“But… wait… in the previous paragraph you’re angry because they were “manufactured overseas”… but now in this paragraph you’re angry because they used local labor to assemble/disassemble them… and you’re just upset that the oil company is trying to save money? (So I can mentally categorize you, which camp do you come from? The one where “big oil is screwing us because they’re charging us $4 a gallon for fuel? Or the camp that wants “gas to be $10 a gallon so everyone rides bicycles?”) </span></i><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:red'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:red'>Gee, image that, I am displeased with several things ExxonMobile does and how it does them. I’m not mad that they used local labor to haul the megaloads, however, I wouldn’t put it past ExxonMobile to try and hire third world laborers and their mules to haul the loads up Highway 95 and succeed in getting the approval of Idaho Republican Legislature if it could save them a tarnished old penny. However, I don’t think they would try to ship the laborers and their mules in the empty containers. But one never knows. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>If all the numbers penciled out that it was CHEAPER for Exxon to IMPORT labor to do the job, then I would suspect you are correct. But rather than beating up on companies like Exxon who are trying to keep their costs low, perhaps you should beat up on the laws and inefficiencies that DRIVE that cost decision.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Jay</span><br><br>--- On <b>Sun, 7/17/11, Rosemary Huskey <i><donaldrose@cpcinternet.com></i></b> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>From: Rosemary Huskey <donaldrose@cpcinternet.com><br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Pollyanna Wants to Know: Who's the Lying Sack of Sh*t?<br>To: "'Jay Borden'" <jborden@datawedge.com>, "'Donovan Arnold'" <donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com>, "'Saundra Lund'" <v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm>, vision2020@moscow.com<br>Date: Sunday, July 17, 2011, 2:59 PM<o:p></o:p></p><div id=yiv1922743193><div><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal5><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#993366'>Donovan is dead right in his remarks which are measured, logical, and well argued. You, Jay Borden, while lacking insight in the megaload issue, undoubtedly demonstrate great wisdom in being self-employed.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#993366'>Rose Huskey</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#993366'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#993366'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> vision2020-bounces@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jay Borden<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, July 17, 2011 12:18 PM<br><b>To:</b> Donovan Arnold; Saundra Lund; vision2020@moscow.com<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] Pollyanna Wants to Know: Who's the Lying Sack of Sh*t?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal> <o:p></o:p></p><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0><tr><td valign=top style='padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><div><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>“So if the cook drops your steak on the floor and you didn't notice, did that make it any safer to eat?”</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:red'>So you are saying that this first megaload wrecked a bunch of stuff along the way, hoped no one would notice, and lied about it after the fact? (Or hoped no one would notice?)</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:red'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal><em><span style='color:#1F497D'>"If I say that I’m going to arrive at a friend’s house at 6:00pm… but then don’t make it there until 6:30pm… does that make me a liar?"</span></em><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Try that at your place of work and say you are on time and see if that works. </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:red'>I am self-employed. My schedule is constantly adjusting and changing. While I talk do TALK to myself often, I generally don’t get mad at myself for making changes in my schedule along the way to accommodate shifting needs and priorities. In addition, if a meeting that I have scheduled is late or is cancelled, I don’t immediately assume some sort of epic cover-up. Life happens. </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal><em><span style='color:#1F497D'>" The fact is, we are a nation/community of LAWS and AGREEMENTS…"</span></em><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>So when did the community of Moscow get to agree to this? Was it kind of like the agreement with the Indians, we take this of yours, and you must agree to it?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I would say that we probably didn’t get a voice… but since 95 is a state highway, did Moscow actually PAY for the road? (I would have to go look it up, I don’t know how that cash flow works). (But, as an aside… you’re seriously comparing large trucks moving along a state road to the transgressions against Native American Culture?... WOW!)</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal><em><span style='color:#1F497D'>"You’re angry about the megaloads in general, and no matter what scenario emerges it will always land on the side that 'the megaload project can do nothing right.' "</span></em><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Why shouldn't Saundra and others be angry at the megaloads? Everything about them should infuriate the common US Citizen.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:red'>“Everything about them…” Ok. I get it. You’re pissed off, and even if scientists find that tailpipes emit pure oxygen, you’re going to be angry. </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>For starters, the megaloads were manufactured overseas. Why the hell should Americans accommodate any company that ships good jobs overseas? Especially now while tens of millions of people are out of work and have the skills to do that job?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:red'>Our economy is global. America tried the “protectionism” route in the 30’s with Roosevelt… didn’t work out so well. </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Second, why should the oil companies get a "Special Pass" for their big loads to be run, not once or twice, but hundreds of times over roads that were not designed to handle that kind of stress and tear? There is a reason why there is an 80,000 lb gross weight on the roads, it is because that is what the roads can safely handle. Special permits are only allowed usually for the need to transport what cannot be broken down reasonably any further. That is not the case in this situation, it is a case of oil companies trying to save money by moving the jobs overseas and building them as big as they can with cheap labor. Those roads being tore up to pieces are going to be paid for by you and the taxpayers, not ExxonMobile. </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:red'>Big difference between an 80,000 pound load divided by 18 wheels vs. 140+ wheels. But… wait… in the previous paragraph you’re angry because they were “manufactured overseas”… but now in this paragraph you’re angry because they used local labor to assemble/disassemble them… and you’re just upset that the oil company is trying to save money? (So I can mentally categorize you, which camp do you come from? The one where “big oil is screwing us because they’re charging us $4 a gallon for fuel? Or the camp that wants “gas to be $10 a gallon so everyone rides bicycles?”) </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Did you know that a truck driver who is just 100lbs over the 80000 limit is not only charged a huge fine, but they are not allowed to move their trucks out of the weight port, they have to call another truck to come over and remove the excess. Port authorities are absolute assholes when it comes to weight restrictions, don't believe me, ask any other person that has driven a truck professionally across state lines. BUT, if you are hauling for ExxonMobile, you are allowed to ignore those limits and grind the roads into a fine powdery dust for the taxpayer to pick up the tab not to mention any other damage done to their motor vehicle driving on the same road. </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:red'>Did this truck driver in your example file for a permit? Did he run through the same legal chute, and subject himself to the same process?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Finally, there is the immeasurable loss of the environment if any of those vehicles tip or slide off the road. At the rate America and the western world is destroying natural habit it is irresponsible for people to be putting at risk this great beautiful land that God has made for us to protect and enjoy not exploit. </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:red'>Got it… since this is “immeasureable”, logic, rational, and solid reasoning won’t work with you. Understood. Thanks for clarifying.</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Jay Borden</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal><br><br>--- On <b>Sat, 7/16/11, Jay Borden <i><jborden@datawedge.com></i></b> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #1010FF 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>From: Jay Borden <jborden@datawedge.com><br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Pollyanna Wants to Know: Who's the Lying Sack of Sh*t?<br>To: "Saundra Lund" <v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm>, vision2020@moscow.com<br>Date: Saturday, July 16, 2011, 1:56 PM<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><div id=yiv1922743193><div><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal31><span style='color:#1F497D'>Seems to me you’re just getting angry for the sake of getting angry and lashing out no matter what. You’re angry about the megaloads in general, and no matter what scenario emerges it will always land on the side that “the megaload project can do nothing right”.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>The article says that the 14-food wide load could have been transported during the daytime… and that “Rolheiser wants to maintain the same protocol for both roads”.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>They left port of Lewiston a little earlier… and crossed Moscow at 10pm last night. (News to me, I had no idea…). So, you’re angry that they deviated from their initial plan/intention, while still staying inside the boundaries of the law/permit that was issued? There is no way for you not to be angry with this. If the megaload would have departed EXACTLY at 10PM and arrived in Moscow within the time line and interrupted some event (road construction, some event letting out at a particular time, who knows), you would have been incensed that the folks didn’t have the common sense to call ahead and adjust their schedule accordingly. (These are outrageous example, I know… I’m trying to illustrate a point).</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>I don’t get the impression they’ve lied. They probably did WANT to stick with the same protocol… from an operations standpoint, it would make sense: every operation that is done differently or has a custom component requires meetings, training, and change… and allows for more stuff to go wrong. In this case, I would bet their intent was to stick to the plan. But they adjusted for SOMETHING, stayed within the limits of the permit/law, and got the job done. (I had zero idea that the megaload came through town last night… so kudos to them for getting it done without my knowing. I thought that was the intent).</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>If I say that I’m going to arrive at a friend’s house at 6:00pm… but then don’t make it there until 6:30pm… does that make me a liar? Or is my reason of “I couldn’t find my car keys” acceptable?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>I’m not sure where to respond with the “they didn’t stop where they were supposed to, they didn’t get a motel room, and they didn’t buy local fuel”… plans change… but people are PEOPLE…. they all gotta EAT, and they all gotta SLEEP. If you’re angry that they didn’t do any of those things WHERE they originally planned, I don’t have much for you… and I applaud your own itineraries and schedules to be so perfectly executed.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>You’re upset about the MPD not knowing anything about the transport? What you quoted talks about ISP involvement (non-mandatory according to the permit), not MPD… If MPD WAS involved with this project, and someone’s house was robbed during this process, (leaving MPD unable to respond more quickly), you would have been angry that the megaloads project has dragged our local police force into the mix.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>As far as their level of courteousness? I guess I can’t comment on that… I’ve never had an issue with MPD or really any law enforcement officer… I’ve learned that people are as generally as courteous to me as I am to them. Paint a sour face or come out swinging (so to speak), and you’re probably likely to get a cold shoulder or just ignored. (And if you came out last night to just let your seething anger swell up by witnessing the physical manifestation of your disdain rolling through Moscow, I wouldn’t blame the MPD for turning their backs on dealing with a citizen who might just be interested in picking an argument in which they have no authority or knowledge).</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>The fact is, we are a nation/community of LAWS and AGREEMENTS… the megaload projects are working within the LAWS and PERMITS that they have LEGALLY obtained. Changing their operations to accommodate (whatever) changing conditions happened doesn’t make them liars… it makes them flexible.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Jay Borden</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> vision2020-bounces@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Saundra Lund<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, July 16, 2011 12:59 PM<br><b>To:</b> vision2020@moscow.com<br><b>Subject:</b> [Vision2020] Pollyanna Wants to Know: Who's the Lying Sack of Sh*t?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b>First oversized load coming through tonight</b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal style='margin-left:.5in'>No date set for larger load; Mammoet given five days to start<o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal style='margin-left:.5in'>By Brandon Macz Daily News Staff Writer<o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal style='margin-left:.5in'>Posted on: <b>Friday, July 15, 2011</b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal style='margin-left:.5in'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193storybody style='margin-left:.5in'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Imperial Oil/ExxonMobil</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> will ship the smaller of two oversized loads through Moscow tonight under permits reissued by the <b>Idaho Transportation Department</b>.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193storybody style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>ITD reissued permits to transport two oversized loads of oil refinery equipment along U.S. Highway 95 and Interstate 90 on Wednesday with a five-day window that starts today.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193storybody style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>"Our plan is to begin moving the first of the two initial modules on Friday night," Pius Rolheiser, Imperial Oil spokesman, said. "The second one, the timing has yet to be determined."</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193storybody style='margin-left:.5in'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>The Idaho State Police</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> weighed both loads Thursday, and the smaller shipment is slated to <b>leave the Port of Lewiston at 10 p.m.</b> today with two ISP escorts, two pilot cars and three flagging crews. Its first scheduled stop will be at the Latah/Benewah county line followed by a stop three miles east of Coeur d'Alene before connecting to I-90.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193storybody style='margin-left:.5in'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Capt. Lonnie Richardson of ISP Region 2 in Lewiston said his department will be briefed at 8 p.m.</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> today prior to escorting the shipment, which is not required under the permit. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193storybody style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Because the shipment is 14 feet wide, it could also be transported in the daytime, but <b>Rolheiser said the company wants to maintain the same protocol for both loads, which means it would use ISP escorts and travel between 10 p.m. and 5:30 a.m</b></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>OK, so I know caring about the megaloads moving through Moscow makes me a commie subversivo or something stupid like that to some, but . . . </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>What does that make the people who think we can “trust” ITD, Imperial Oil/ExxonMobil, or even the ISP to be honest? Idiots? Morons? Sell-outs? Corporate shills lacking even a modicum of ethics?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>For those who don’t know, the baby mega-load apparently rolled through Moscow at approx. 10 PM last night.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Which means Imperial Oil/ExxonMobil lied when it said, “the company wants to maintain the same protocol for both loads.” It kept the ISP “escorts” but ditched the time limitations.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>News Flash: if they are willing to lie about the little stuff, they’ll have not a concern in the world in lying about the Big Stuff. Maybe I’m the only one, but I was genuinely shocked by the dishonesty surrounding the baby megaload’s transit through Moscow.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>It also means that the ISP -- perhaps taking a page from the “orderly & law-abiding protestors are scary” book used by Moscow’s own Parks & Rec “Director” Dwight Curtis took – apparently wasn’t quite accurate in announcing that the ISP briefing was at 8 PM last night before the scheduled 10 PM departure with ISP escorts. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out that there’s no way in heck that time line was truthful when the load hit Moscow at 10 PM.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Reportedly, the baby megaload didn’t even pause at its “scheduled” stop at the county line in spite of the welcome mat Walter Steed & his toadies positively wet themselves (and likely violated Idaho Public Meeting Law in the process) rolling out.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Of course, Steed’s whole feel good faux resolution was nothing more than insulting to begin with. Only the uninformed – which definitely shouldn’t have been voting Council members – were unaware of the fact that the megaloads don’t purchase fuel locally. Duh.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>And as for utilizing Moscow motels?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Perhaps in Walter’s World, “knocking off for the day” after two hours’ work makes sense to patronize Moscow motels, but that’s <b>not</b> the real world, as the baby mega-load’s transport last night proved.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Let me rephrase that. There <b>is</b> a profession – perhaps the world’s oldest -- that utilizes motel rooms for a couple of hours’ work. Given Steed’s faux resolution, one can’t help but wonder about the source of his . . . confusion.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>I went out (and dragged my dh – who deserves a gold star – along with me) last night because I was curious to see things for myself to form my own opinion based of what I saw with my own eyes. I knew it was just a baby mega-load, but since they are keeping the transit of the real mega-load Top Secret, it was the best I could do.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>I’m left wondering why, if the whole thing is as innocuous as the now <b>proven</b> liars want us to believe, they are being so secretive???</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>I’m also <b>extremely</b> concerned about the apparent lack of communication with local law enforcement (MPD). I tried to chat with two of Moscow’s “finest” I saw out & about strolling around downtown last night, and they said they didn’t know anything. Really? If that’s the case, we all should be very concerned. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Frankly, I was quite taken aback by their behavior. I am a law abiding & tax paying citizen who has always previously felt comfortable chatting with truly Moscow’s finest for the 2+ decades I’ve lived here.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>The two last night? Not so much. In fact, they were positively rude . . . I was literally talking to their backs before my less-than-10-second question was even out of my mouth. And, no – they weren’t in a hurry to respond to a call because I watched them leisurely lumber down the block without a care in the world. I’m sorry to say I now have a better understanding of the comments I’ve been hearing in recent years that MPD seems to have developed an unfriendly attitude towards normal people.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Saundra Lund</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Moscow, ID</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do nothing.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>~ Edmund Burke</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>-----Inline Attachment Follows-----<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal>=======================================================<br>List services made available by First Step Internet, <br>serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994. <br> <a href="http://www.fsr.net/" target="_blank">http://www.fsr.net</a> <br> mailto:<a href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">Vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>=======================================================<o:p></o:p></p></div></td></tr></table><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>-----Inline Attachment Follows-----<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal>=======================================================<br>List services made available by First Step Internet, <br>serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994. <br> <a href="http://www.fsr.net/" target="_blank">http://www.fsr.net</a> <br> mailto:<a href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">Vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>=======================================================<o:p></o:p></p></div></td></tr></table><p class=yiv1922743193msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>-----Inline Attachment Follows-----<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>=======================================================<br>List services made available by First Step Internet, <br>serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994. <br> <a href="http://www.fsr.net/" target="_blank">http://www.fsr.net</a> <br> mailto:<a href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Vision2020@moscow.com">Vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>=======================================================<o:p></o:p></p></div></td></tr></table><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></body></html>