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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Goodness, Tom . . . no apologies necessary! I completely agree with your question to “Blake Law” in your original post! The quote from “Blake Law” from Wilson’s blog had plenty to cause offense even though Paul chooses not to see it.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Can’t you just see all those “Godly” types chuckling about the joke that pokes at both women <b>and</b> gays in the military? Thank God I’ve got a strong stomach or I’d be puking from the hatred.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Pardon me while I try to shower the disgust off my body . . . I made the mistake of clicking on the link in your first post for context. It’s a natural reaction of mine to shower filth off whenever I come into contact with it, which is always the case when I visit Wilson’s blog. <shiver><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Saundra<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Tom Hansen [mailto:thansen@moscow.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, July 10, 2011 10:11 AM<br><b>To:</b> Saundra Lund<br><b>Cc:</b> Paul Rumelhart; Moscow Vision 2020<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] Say What?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>My apologies, Saundra.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I overlooked the obvious. My initial attention was drawn to the undue criticism of homosexual soldiers. Mr. Law's closing words reflect heavily on his sexist attitude as well as the "church" that share that attitude.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>In the words of Pricilla Mondt . . .<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#693D1D'><br><br></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#693D1D'>"When we begin to fulfill our responsibility in the church, displaying interest in the life of the organization, clergywomen will be entrusted with more responsibility and more visible leadership roles. As God leads women in the Assemblies of God into higher leadership positions, a road will be paved for others to follow."</span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#693D1D'><br><br></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#693D1D'>- Priscilla A. Mondt is an Assemblies of God minister and chaplain in the U.S. Army.</span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://womeninministry.ag.org/resources/articles/ministry/min0306_pavingroad.cfm">http://womeninministry.ag.org/resources/articles/ministry/min0306_pavingroad.cfm</a><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#693D1D'><br><br></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#693D1D'>Seeya round town, Moscow.</span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#693D1D'><br><br></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#693D1D'>Tom Hansen</span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#693D1D'>Moscow, Idaho</span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>"The Pessimist complains about the wind, the Optimist expects it to change <span class=apple-style-span>and the Realist adjusts his sails."</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>- Unknown<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On Jul 10, 2011, at 9:50, "Saundra Lund" <<a href="mailto:v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm">v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>Actually, Paul, you completely missed the point, which was the ***female***<br>Army chaplain, not "sinners."<br><br>Those in that subset don't think that women should be chaplains, pastors . .<br>. or sit on school boards.<br><br>The point you miss that Blake Law was making is that *neither* belong in the<br>military according to those in Wilson's World or that "subset of<br>Christians."<br><br>Easy to miss the point when one works oh, so hard to make excuses for the<br>inexcusable rather than taking people at their word.<br><br><shaking my head><br><br><br>Saundra Lund<br>Moscow, ID<br><br>The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do<br>nothing.<br>~ Edmund Burke<br><br>***** Original material contained herein is Copyright 2011 through life plus<br>70 years, Saundra Lund. Do not copy, forward, excerpt, or reproduce outside<br>the Vision 2020 forum without the express written permission of the<br>author.*****<br><br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: <a href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com">vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</a> <a href="mailto:[mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com]">[mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com]</a><br>On Behalf Of Paul Rumelhart<br>Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 9:13 AM<br>To: Tom Hansen<br>Cc: Moscow Vision 2020<br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Say What?<br><br><br>I'm not a theologian by any means, but if this chaplain is of a subset of<br>the Christian religion then they believe that *everyone* is a sinner. It's<br>human nature, it's why Jesus was required to come down to Earth, etc. So<br>this chaplain was not saying (as her quote could sound) that she would treat<br>a homosexual as one of those other sinners, like rapists, murderers, or<br>whatever. She's saying that she would treat them like anyone else,<br>basically.<br><br>People more versed in Christian theology, feel free to show me to be wrong<br>on this.<br><br>Paul<br><br>On 07/10/2011 05:26 AM, Tom Hansen wrote:<br><br><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>"I recently heard someone breathlessly telling me about an Army <o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal>chaplain and his response to the repeal of DADT: 'I will treat a <o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal>homosexual soldier who comes into my office the same as any other <o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal>sinner.' You know who it was? A female Army chaplain."<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal>- Blake Law<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://www.dougwils.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=8">http://www.dougwils.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=8</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal>768:slopehead-country&catid=87:politics#JOSC_TOP<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal>---------------------------------<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal>Question, Mr. Law: How many "sinners" do you figure are buried at <o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal>Arlington? Or listed on the Vietnam Memorial Wall?<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal>Seeya round town, Moscow.<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal>Tom Hansen<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal>Moscow, Idaho<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal>"The Pessimist complains about the wind, the Optimist expects it to <o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal>change and the Realist adjusts his sails."<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal>- Author Unknown<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal>=======================================================<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal> List services made available by First Step Internet,<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal> <a href="http://www.fsr.net">http://www.fsr.net</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal> <a href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com">mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com</a> <o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal>=======================================================<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>=======================================================<br>List services made available by First Step Internet, <br>serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994. <br> <a href="http://www.fsr.net">http://www.fsr.net</a> <br> <a href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com">mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>=======================================================<o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote></div></div></body></html>