<html><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>Thanks, Paul. This is very helpful. I don't care much about clinatology. My point is epistemological and it still stands. This kind of skeptical criticism will, if pressed, extend to any and everything.</div><div><br></div><div>Think of the thermometers as data points. Your point is that the data points are limited; they only extend so far. Fine. </div><div><br></div><div>Suppose I give you one billion <span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); ">thermometers. How is your problem solved? There will still be spaces in between the data points, areas of which we'll know nothing about.</span></div><div><br>In reality, we're talking about scientists with limited resources working in huge areas. I still think the scientists know what they are doing. Your problem is a problem about human limitations.</div><div><br></div><div>Let's put it this way, if you could figure out a better way to collect data that was economically feasable and would dispute the findings of the average climatologist, you'd have no problem getting funding.</div><div><br></div><div>Or prove me wrong. Become a climatologist and show us all how to do it the right way!</div><div><br>On Jun 20, 2011, at 6:56 AM, Paul Rumelhart <<a href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div><span></span></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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Maybe I should go into more detail. Take, for example, historical
thermometer readings for the U of I and see how well they correlate
with thermometer readings in Pullman, Spokane, Lewiston, and other
nearby thermometer stations. The idea is to find out just how far
out from Moscow the readings from the U of I's thermometer extends
with some minimum level of confidence. Can we trust it as far out
as, say, Moses Lake? Probably not. I'd be curious how well
Lewiston and Moscow's temperature data sets correlate.<br>
<br>
Intuitively, some thermometers would not extend very far because of
the geography of the area, and some might extend farther. So, for
each thermometer in the data set, find out how far they can reliably
be extended and draw that circle on a map, colored in with the
appropriate color based on their temperature anomaly. If, for
example, Moscow's circle doesn't make it halfway to Spokane and
vice-versa, then that area between Spokane and Moscow should show up
as gray (meaning that no reliable thermometer data covers that
region), instead of assuming it's value is some blend of the two.
This is more important where thermometers are very far apart, of
course, then it is in the continental U.S. That way, a small number
of thermometers don't affect the bottom-line global values unduly.<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
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On 06/20/2011 05:31 AM, Joe Campbell wrote:
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<div>"<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 16px;
font-family: 'times new roman','new york',times,serif;">What
I'd like to see somebody do is take every thermometer in the
data sets and find out exactly how well they correlate with
their nearest neighbors." This is what I was commenting on.</span><br>
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On Jun 19, 2011, at 9:51 PM, Dan Carscallen <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:areaman@moscow.com"><a href="mailto:areaman@moscow.com">areaman@moscow.com</a></a>>
wrote:<br>
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<div>I read that Paul is questioning whether there are enough
thermometers<br>
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DC</div>
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On Jun 19, 2011, at 19:46, Joe Campbell <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com"><a href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com">philosopher.joe@gmail.com</a></a>>
wrote:<br>
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<div>You are questioning whether the <span class="Apple-style-span" style="">thermometers</span> are
accurate? This is a pretty skeptical move. I should
think the scientists know whether or not the <span class="Apple-style-span" style="">thermometers </span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="">are accurate.</span></div>
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<div>How do you know you have a head, that you're not in
the Matrix world, that you typed the post to which I am
responding?<br>
<br>
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On Jun 19, 2011, at 3:42 PM, Paul Rumelhart <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com"><a href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a></a>>
wrote:<br>
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york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;">
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Not surprisingly, I'm skeptical of the temperature
anomalies map too. Mainly because the highest
temperatures, which count greatly towards these
hottest year records, are at the poles where we
coincidentally have the fewest thermometers.<br>
<br>
What I'd like to see somebody do is take every
thermometer in the data sets and find out exactly
how well they correlate with their nearest
neighbors. Come up with a value between 0 and 1
for each thermometer within, say 100 miles of any
one thermometer and use that data to come up with
a radius within which the temperature is
correlated with a factor over a given amount and
can thus be assumed to cover. Use that to produce
a color-coded temperature anomalies map, leaving
the blank spots where there is no reliable data
intact. Then, while you're at it, see how well
that map correlates with the satellite lower
troposphere temperature data.<br>
<br>
Then, if you want to color in the gray areas,
setup some more thermometers and start taking
readings. I'd prefer that our confidence on what
we actually know was higher rather than assuming
we know more than we actually do.<br>
<br>
Anyway, just a thought.<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
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<hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight:
bold;">From:</span></b> Ted Moffett <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:starbliss@gmail.com"><a href="mailto:starbliss@gmail.com">starbliss@gmail.com</a></a>><br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b>
Moscow Vision 2020 <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a></a>><br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b>
Sun, June 19, 2011 2:36:08 PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b>
[Vision2020] GISS Global May 2011 Temp. Color
Map Shows Northwest US Cold Anomaly<br>
</font><br>
I posted information on the Goddard Institute
for Space Studies May<br>
2011 global average temperature data yesterday.
But I thought it was<br>
worth emphasizing that the color coded global
temperature map GISS<br>
displays on their website reveals the Northwest
US as one of the<br>
colder areas on Earth during May, colder
compared to normative<br>
temperature for each area (1951-1980 baseline),
that is.<br>
<br>
In fact, if I read this map correctly, the
Northwest US shows the<br>
largest area of deep blue in the Northern
Hemisphere, which indicates<br>
2-4 degree C. cold anomaly. I had trouble
finding any other area in<br>
the Northern Hemispshere color coded deep
blue... maybe a small area<br>
off the east coast of Japan.<br>
<br>
What is also noteworthy is the extreme
temperature variations south of<br>
South America extending into Antarctica, from
very anomalous warm<br>
(dark red or brown) to very anomalous cold
(purple). I'm skeptical of<br>
such an extreme temperature variation over such
a small distance.<br>
Remember, the Knights Carbonic (<br>
<span><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.monbiot.com/2009/11/23/the-knights-carbonic/"><a href="http://www.monbiot.com/2009/11/23/the-knights-carbonic/">http://www.monbiot.com/2009/11/23/the-knights-carbonic/</a></a>
) are</span><br>
everywhere! Trust no one!<br>
<br>
GISS color coded global average temperature map
for May 2011:<br>
<br>
<span><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/do_nmap.py?year_last=2011&month_last=05&sat=4&sst=1&type=anoms&mean_gen=05&year1=2011&year2=2011&base1=1951&base2=1980&radius=1200&pol=reg"><a href="http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/do_nmap.py?year_last=2011&month_last=05&sat=4&sst=1&type=anoms&mean_gen=05&year1=2011&year2=2011&base1=1951&base2=1980&radius=1200&pol=reg">http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/do_nmap.py?year_last=2011&month_last=05&sat=4&sst=1&type=anoms&mean_gen=05&year1=2011&year2=2011&base1=1951&base2=1980&radius=1200&pol=reg</a></a></span><br>
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“From: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:ernst.kattweizel@redcar.ac.uk"><a href="mailto:ernst.kattweizel@redcar.ac.uk">ernst.kattweizel@redcar.ac.uk</a></a><br>
Sent: 29th October 2009<br>
To: The Knights Carbonic<br>
<br>
Gentlemen, the culmination of our great plan
approaches fast. What the<br>
Master called “the ordering of men’s affairs by
a transcendent world<br>
state, ordained by God and answerable to no
man”, which we now know as<br>
Communist World Government, advances towards its
climax at Copenhagen.<br>
For 185 years since the Master, known to the
laity as Joseph Fourier,<br>
launched his scheme for world domination, the
entire physical science<br>
community has been working towards this moment.<br>
<br>
The early phases of the plan worked
magnificently. First the Master’s<br>
initial thesis - that the release of infrared
radiation is delayed by<br>
the atmosphere - had to be accepted by the
scientific establishment. I<br>
will not bother you with details of the gold
paid, the threats made<br>
and the blood spilt to achieve this end. But the
result was the<br>
elimination of the naysayers and the disgrace or
incarceration of the<br>
Master’s rivals. Within 35 years the 3rd Warden
of the Grand Temple of<br>
the Knights Carbonic (our revered prophet John
Tyndall) was able to<br>
“demonstrate” the Master’s thesis. Our control
of physical science was<br>
by then so tight that no major objections were
sustained.<br>
<br>
More resistence was encountered (and swiftly
despatched) when we<br>
sought to install the 6th Warden (Svante
Arrhenius) first as professor<br>
of physics at Stockholm University, then as
rector. From this position<br>
he was able to project the Master’s second grand
law - that the<br>
infrared radiation trapped in a planet’s
atmosphere increases in line<br>
with the quantity of carbon dioxide the
atmosphere contains. He and<br>
his followers (led by the Junior Warden Max
Planck) were then able to<br>
adapt the entire canon of physical and chemical
science to sustain the<br>
second law.<br>
<br>
Then began the most hazardous task of all: our
attempt to control the<br>
instrumental record. Securing the consent of the
scientific<br>
establishment was a simple matter. But
thermometers had by then become<br>
widely available, and amateur meteorologists
were making their own<br>
readings. We needed to show a steady rise as
industrialisation<br>
proceeded, but some of these unfortunates had
other ideas. The global<br>
co-option of police and coroners required
unprecedented resources, but<br>
so far we have been able to cover our tracks.<br>
<br>
The over-enthusiasm of certain of the Knights
Carbonic in 1998 was<br>
most regrettable. The high reading in that year
has proved impossibly<br>
costly to sustain. Those of our enemies who have
yet to be silenced<br>
maintain that the lower temperatures after that
date provide evidence<br>
of global cooling, even though we have ensured
that eight of the ten<br>
warmest years since 1850 have occurred since
2001(10). From now on we<br>
will engineer a smoother progression.<br>
<br>
Our co-option of the physical world has been
just as successful. The<br>
thinning of the Arctic ice cap was a
masterstroke. The ring of secret<br>
nuclear power stations around the Arctic Circle,
attached to giant<br>
immersion heaters, remains undetected, as do the
space-based lasers<br>
dissolving the world’s glaciers.<br>
<br>
Altering the migratory and reproductive patterns
of the world’s<br>
wildlife has proved more challenging. Though we
have now asserted<br>
control over the world’s biologists, there is no
accounting for the<br>
unauthorised observations of farmers, gardeners,
bird-watchers and<br>
other troublemakers. We have therefore been
forced to drive migrating<br>
birds, fish and insects into higher latitudes,
and to release several<br>
million tonnes of plant pheromones every year to
accelerate flowering<br>
and fruiting. None of this is cheap, and ever
more public money,<br>
secretly diverted from national accounts by
compliant governments, is<br>
required to sustain it.<br>
<br>
The co-operation of these governments requires
unflagging effort. The<br>
capture of George W. Bush, a late convert to the
cause of Communist<br>
World Government, was made possible only by the
threatened release of<br>
footage filmed by a knight at Yale, showing the
future president<br>
engaged in coitus with a Ford Mustang. Most
ostensibly-capitalist<br>
governments remain apprised of where their real
interests lie, though<br>
I note with disappointment that we have so far
failed to eliminate<br>
Vaclav Klaus. Through the offices of compliant
states, the Master’s<br>
third grand law has been accepted: world
government will be<br>
established under the guise of controlling
manmade emissions of<br>
greenhouse gases.<br>
<br>
Keeping the scientific community in line remains
a challenge. The<br>
national academies are becoming ever more
querulous and greedy, and<br>
require higher pay-offs each year. The
inexplicable events of the past<br>
month, in which the windows of all the leading
scientific institutions<br>
were broken and a horse’s head turned up in
James Hansen’s bed, appear<br>
to have staved off the immediate crisis, but for
how much longer can<br>
we maintain the consensus?<br>
<br>
Knights Carbonic, now that the hour of our
triumph is at hand, I urge<br>
you all to redouble your efforts. In the name of
the Master, go forth<br>
and terrify.<br>
<br>
Professor Ernst Kattweizel, University of
Redcar. 21st Grand Warden of<br>
the Temple of the Knights Carbonic.”<br>
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