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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>A repeat (with a few additions) of my post from
last week just for Hank!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>At this point, even though I have Canadian friends
who argue the pros and cons in my presence, I don't have any strong opinions
about the oil sands. I'm listening to everything and doing my research. So the
argument that I am against big oil is not credible (yet).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> However, I have yet to hear of anyone in
Idaho, except the Port of Lewiston, making any money from this deal, at least
openly. Who knows what deals lined whose pockets in backrooms full of good
brandy and shrimp cocktail.....And the Port wouldn't have made anything much if
there had been no protests holding up the movement of the loads. Enough money
was spent on those ridiculous lying ads in the Tribune to have compensated every
"power outage" (from Exxon negligence) resident $300 each...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Meantime, I live 500 yards off Highway 95 north of
Moscow, and have an organic practices farm which produces food for the
residents of Moscow, Pullman, Viola, and Potlatch. I watched the mess the DOT
made of Steakhouse Hill while <EM>"making it more safe"</EM> for travelers going
north, putting in a "passing" lane and a turn-off, only to increase both the
speed of traveling idiots and the number of tragic accidents on the hill.<U> I
also know how unstable the roadside slopes are, particularly since the power
company and the cable company, in cahoots with the county, clear- cut those
hillsides. </U>They already show signs of erosion with this wet spring. Now we
may have huge loads rumbling through, further destabilizing the slopes.<STRONG>
I don't care if those trucks are hauling Beanie Babies, Smuckers Jam, widgets,
or paper napkins. They are a freaking menace!!</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I actually heard at the "mega-loads info meeting"
(which I left after 45 minutes, knowing it was pro forma) that these loads
will be only as noisy as a chip truck. Pardon me? At 4 am a jake-brake sounds
like Armaggedon out here. An empty chip truck in the middle of the day is enough
to wake the dead. We have to stop conversations until sixteen wheelers have
passed. Of course, that <STRONG>has</STRONG> been a bigger problem since the
clear-cut by Clearwater Power and TimeWarner Cable took out our sound
barrier....</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I suppose it's really OK, as the people who rammed
this through are not the ones who will be jerked out of hospital bed as the
trucks go past Gritman, nor are they the country dwellers who get precious
little sleep anywayand are awakened at 4 am....Blessed be those who pass trials
and travails onto others, may they rest peacefully all night long....and be
voted out of office ASAP.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>And the impact on tourism? Huge.....just the notion
that Idaho allows this crap is enough to keep lots of tourists away....I have
heard from friends in Delaware, Ohio, and even (surprise!) Texas that they plan
to give Idaho a miss this year due to the mega-load-mess.....and Couer d'Alene
is just now finding out and weighing in.....Ill planned, poorly executed, and
very expensive for the oil company. Who's making money? <EM>Follow the
money</EM>....</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Debi R-S</FONT></DIV></DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=idahovandal1@live.com href="mailto:idahovandal1@live.com">Carl
Westberg</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, June 09, 2011 11:43
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Two Seperate
Issues</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>"Can anyone on this forum say that you would still be opposed
to loads of this size if they were large solar panels or wind turbine
equipment?" Yes. I already have.<BR><BR>
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Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 09:41:06 -0700<BR>From: <A
href="mailto:hearseboy85@gmail.com">hearseboy85@gmail.com</A><BR>To: <A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A><BR>Subject:
[Vision2020] Two Seperate Issues<BR><BR>
<DIV>I see that we're not going to make any progress here on this Megaload
issue because some people can't get over the end result.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I'm as concerned about the enviromental damage in Canada as many of
you on this forum. But those concerns cannot weigh into whether or not
the permits are issued to move said loads through Moscow if the laws and rules
exist for other loads of the same demensions (though not maybe owned by oil
companies) to be permitted.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>The basis of my opinion is about the megaloads themselves - height,
weight, noise, damage to roadways, etc... all of which were deemed null issues
by our police and fire chiefs and the road concern was deemed null by our city
streets supervisor. Such loads are also permittable under current Idaho
law/admin rules.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Can anyone on this forum say that you would still be opposed to loads of
this size if they were large solar panels or wind turbine equipment? If
you're opposed to the loads based on the size/noise/etc.. regardless
of use then I respect and can see your point of view even though its
different than mine.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>But I won't engage in a discussion about whether or not we should be some
sort of heros to the people of Canada by stopping these loads for their well
being. It is my position that its not Moscow's position to do so.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>If that ends the discussion then so be it but all my opinions are now on
the table.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>***</DIV>
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<DIV>@ Joe - You're really hung up on this hippie thing and all I can say is
get over it. I've gotten over the fact you called me an offensive
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