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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Hi Ted,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Thanks for the input, which I think is very helpful.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>In part, you wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>“</span>As is obvious from the pictures, a major focus of this action involved anthropogenic climate change ("Climate Justice" in banner), which is a separate issue from whether or not the mega-loads local or state impacts are acceptable or legal; and is an issue that I find exceedingly strange is not a major focus of local discussion, as far as I have determined, regarding why the mega-loads should be opposed”<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>If you’ve not already done so, I would encourage you to look more closely at the Moscow City Council comments. Certain Council members made it crystal clear from the beginning that they didn’t give a rip about the Bigger Picture of anthropogenic climate change with respect to the proposed mega-loads. Given that local governmental climate, so to speak, I don’t find it strange at all that some folks have opted to speak out about particularly local issues rather than trying to address the bigger anthropogenic climate change issue on a local basis. It seems to me there’s plenty of legitimate concern about mega-load issues on a <b>local</b> basis without trying to convince local/state government & legislators who have clearly stated that they don’t <b>care </b>about the big picture – see Debi Robinson-Smith’s response earlier today (well, yesterday now).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Mind you, I’m not dismissing the bigger picture concerns at all. Rather, I’m saying that when local government has clearly expressed a bias <b>against</b> Big Picture concerns, it makes sense to me to try to reason with them on the many valid local concerns.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>In the interests of full disclosure, I feel compelled to state that a private piece written by a very dear friend about the perspective of local (throughout Idaho) Native Americans when <b>we</b> started building roads has given me much food for thought. Additionally, I’ve concerns about trying to “dictate” to another country (Canada) what they “should” be doing, given this country’s penchant for sticking our noses where they don’t, IMHO, belong.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>OTOH, I also readily admit that this country has <b>failed</b> miserably, IMHO, to stick our noses where conscience dictates we should care, so I’m not deaf to the concerns about the health of First Nation peoples about the Alberta oil sands development.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>From my perspective, the bigger issue is very complex with somewhat valid arguments from more than two perspectives.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>However, from a <b>local</b> discussion standpoint, it seems to me there are legitimate concerns from local citizens that don’t necessarily take into account – or take a position on – the Bigger Picture. In trying to reach our local representatives, some of whom have clearly stated disinterest in looking further, I want to encourage folks to continue to hit the local perspective – and hit it <b>hard</b>.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Do you think that puts us at odds?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I hope not!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Ted also wrote, “</span>Anyone attempting to organize effective civil disobedience in Moscow opposing the mega-loads should consider gaining the involvement of committed and experienced activists from outside our area who oppose the tar sands development.”<span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I don’t disagree, and I sincerely hope that should the mega-loads be routed through Moscow that such activists reach out locally as I suspect that they’d find a sympathetic population. And, as I’ve already stated, I’m willing to participate & would be, I suspect, some of my friends </span><span style='font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D'>J</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Saundra Lund<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Moscow, ID<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do nothing.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>~ Edmund Burke<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Ted Moffett [mailto:starbliss@gmail.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, May 24, 2011 4:04 PM<br><b>To:</b> Saundra Lund<br><b>Cc:</b> Sue Hovey; Moscow Vision 2020<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] Moscow City Council's Megaload Discussion<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Rising Tide Portland- Hood River, OR<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://www.extractionaction.net/2011/04/rising-tide-portland-hood-river-or/">http://www.extractionaction.net/2011/04/rising-tide-portland-hood-river-or/</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>"They're making a killing. Profit > People+Planet?" Quote from badge or poster at this website:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://www.extractionaction.net/2011/03/add-the-day-of-action-to-your-site/">http://www.extractionaction.net/2011/03/add-the-day-of-action-to-your-site/</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>From first website above:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>To commemorate the one year anniversary of the gulf oil disaster, 100 people gathered today on the banks of the Columbia River where the infamous Tar Sands shipments will be transported by barge to the port of Lewiston, ID. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>-----------------------<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>A few moments of searching revealed this action April 20, 2011 (anniversary of the gulf oil disaster), in Hood River, Ore. against the tar sands bound equipment that may pass through Moscow. As is obvious from the pictures, a major focus of this action involved anthropogenic climate change ("Climate Justice" in banner), which is a separate issue from whether or not the mega-loads local or state impacts are acceptable or legal; and is an issue that I find exceedingly strange is not a major focus of local discussion, as far as I have determined, regarding why the mega-loads should be opposed <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Note this action brought members of first nation indigenous communities from the tar sands and surrounding areas and Northwest climate justice activists. Anyone attempting to organize effective civil disobedience in Moscow opposing the mega-loads should consider gaining the involvement of committed and experienced activists from outside our area who oppose the tar sands development.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>No, that would not be me!<br>------------------------------------------<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Vision2020 Post: Ted Moffett<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 3:18 PM, Ted Moffett <<a href="mailto:starbliss@gmail.com">starbliss@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><p class=MsoNormal>Interesting critical comments. Thanks.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>As you may know, given local newspapers had pictures of the "protests," there were several public actions recently (though I don't think these events qualified as "civil disobedience" given my understanding that this involves breaking a law) opposing the mega-loads with those involved carrying supposedly mega-load sized signs, and so forth. Why those involved in these actions did not post about these events to Vision2020, I wonder.<o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 9:00 AM, Saundra Lund <<a href="mailto:v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm" target="_blank">v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm</a>> wrote: . . <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br>Hey -- if anyone reading this knows of any civil disobedience plans for<br>if/when the mega-loads come through Moscow, ***please*** let me know. For<br>obvious reasons (including the Council not giving a rip about full input<br>from Moscow citizens), I'm not interested in attending public meetings or<br>writing letters. However, Steed's stunt -- along with the other lemming<br>Council members' disinterest in the input of their constituents -- has<br>annoyed me enough that I'm willing to participate in civil disobedience if<br>needed, and I've got some friends who would also probably like to<br>participate :-) For a variety of reasons (including the fact that even I<br>get tired of tilting at windmills, and since our governor & his henchmen had<br>sold us out *long* before we'd heard a word about the mega-loads defiling<br>Idaho qualifies as tilting at windmills), I'd made a conscious decision not<br>to get too involved in the issue. However, given our Council's blatant<br>disregard for and disrespect of citizen input on this highly controversial<br>issue, I'm ticked enough that I'm willing to express with action my absolute<br>disgust at the Resolution.<br><br>Saundra Lund<br>Moscow, ID<br><br>The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do<br>nothing.<br>~ Edmund Burke<br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: <a href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</a>]<br>On Behalf Of Sue Hovey<br>Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2011 2:43 PM<br>To: <a href="mailto:MoscowCares@moscow.com" target="_blank">MoscowCares@moscow.com</a>; Moscow Vision 2020<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Cc: Jane Kauzlarich; Borg Hendrickson; Friends of the Clearwater; Fritz<br>Knorr; Jeanne McHale; Marilyn Beckett; Joann Muneta<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Moscow City Council's Megaload Discussion<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>Somewhere I had a thread in this discussion where I stated Randy Fife had<br>teamed up with Walter Steed to blindside the mayor. Walter sent me an email<br>to tell me Randy had nothing to do with it. Yesterday I saw Nancy at<br>Farmers' Market and she agreed. So the video should not be interpreted with<br>an inference that Fife was helping Walter create council chaos. He did it<br>all by himself, with council members who were willing to support him.<br><br>Sue<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></body></html>