<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;"><DIV>The problem with nuclear power, aside from the obvious ones, is that it requires a great deal of water. Water is also heated, mitigating most advances you have with slowing global warming.</DIV>
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<DIV>We also will still consume more and more oil because third world countries are starting to use it more and have huge populations, in addition, we also use oil for the production of plastics, which is in just about everything. </DIV>
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<DIV>People also forget that most cars that run off electricity are pulling power from outlets that run off the burning of coal. </DIV>
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<DIV>There is no such thing as free clean energy. I would try to use the Sun more and reduction of usage. Some neighborhood communities are starting to go off the grid by setting up locally run solar power farms that power the houses.</DIV>
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<DIV>Donovan Arnold<BR><BR>--- On <B>Tue, 5/17/11, Paul Rumelhart <I><godshatter@yahoo.com></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px"><BR>From: Paul <SPAN><SPAN>Rumelhart</SPAN></SPAN> <godshatter@yahoo.com><BR>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Mega-loads Ultimate Impact: Geological Society of America Oct. 2011 Meeting: Archean to Anthropocene<BR>To: "Ted Moffett" <starbliss@gmail.com><BR>Cc: wkrauss@ci.moscow.id.us, tbrown@ci.moscow.id.us, "Moscow Vision 2020" <vision2020@moscow.com>, wmsteed@ci.moscow.id.us, sscott@ci.moscow.id.us, "Nancy Chaney" <nchaney@ci.moscow.id.us>, dcarscallen@ci.moscow.id.us, tlamar@ci.moscow.id.us<BR>Date: Tuesday, May 17, 2011, 7:04 PM<BR><BR>
<DIV class=plainMail><BR>Even if global warming is as big a problem as the worst climate models <BR>predict (which I don't concede - it's all about the feedbacks), we <BR>should still seek other sources of oil in the short term for a variety <BR>of practical and political reasons, the main one being that we simply <BR>aren't ready to move off of oil yet. Not if we want to keep an <BR>industrial-based civilization capable of mitigating the worst effects of <BR>climate change.<BR><BR>To me, the proper plan seems obvious. Subsidize nuclear power, continue <BR>incentives for greener power sources and electric and hybrid cars, and <BR>when we have a foundation of nuclear power plants for base power <BR>consumption and an array of renewable energy sources and electric cars <BR>that are viable economically, start raising taxes on oil imports.<BR><BR>I can back this plan myself because it will reduce our dependence upon <BR>foreign oil and will help
with actual pollution problems.<BR><BR>I'd also suggest funding more research into thorium reactors and breeder <BR>reactors, so we don't replace one scarcity problem with another.<BR><BR>Paul<BR><BR>On 05/17/2011 04:36 PM, Ted Moffett wrote:<BR>> It's discouraging to read in today's newspaper (<BR>> <A href="http://www.spokesman.com/blogs/boise/2011/may/17/moscow-city-council-votes-roll-out-welcome-mat-megaloads/" target=_blank>http://www.spokesman.com/blogs/boise/2011/may/17/moscow-city-council-votes-roll-out-welcome-mat-megaloads/</A><BR>> ) that the Moscow City Council is no dupe of the global warming<BR>> disaster hysterics, such as NASA climate scientist James Hansen, who<BR>> opposes development of the Canadian tar sands, and has pleaded for the<BR>> governments involved (including Canada, the US and Norway) to stop<BR>> large scale tar sands development.<BR>><BR>> Consider the statement of climate scientist James
Hansen, a primary<BR>> propagandist, in his acceptance speech for the 2010 Sophie Prize:<BR>> <A href="http://www.sofieprisen.no/Articles/514.html" target=_blank>http://www.sofieprisen.no/Articles/514.html</A><BR>><BR>> "But our governments have no intention of solving the fossil fuel and<BR>> climate problem, as is easy to prove: the United States, Canadian and<BR>> Norwegian governments are going right ahead developing the tar sands,<BR>> which, if it is not halted, will make it impossible to stabilize<BR>> climate. Our governments knowingly abdicate responsibility for young<BR>> people and future generations."<BR>><BR>> If the Moscow City Council accepted this propaganda as truth, they<BR>> might have paused regarding affirming the tar sands bound mega-loads<BR>> passing through Moscow. They might have contemplated issuing a public<BR>> statement regarding anthropogenic climate change and the
implications<BR>> of the ultimate goals of tar sands development, facilitated by the<BR>> mega-loads, that will profoundly impact every human on this planet,<BR>> including all the residents of Moscow, Idaho, and future generations<BR>> on Earth for centuries and potentially millennia.<BR>><BR>> However, though the Moscow City Council has apparently seen through<BR>> our climate hoax plot, others can be either bought or brainwashed.<BR>><BR>> The deep cover subversion of prominent scientific organizations by the<BR>> Knights Carbonic (read here about the secret plot:<BR>> <A href="http://www.monbiot.com/2009/11/23/the-knights-carbonic/" target=_blank>http://www.monbiot.com/2009/11/23/the-knights-carbonic/</A> ) is<BR>> progressing well on many fronts, with propaganda regarding human<BR>> impacts on climate continuing to brainwash thousands of scientists,<BR>> despite the truth regarding this hoax being exposed
by FOX news,<BR>> Tea Party loyalists, US Sen. Inhofe (R. Okla.) and the Climategate<BR>> email hack emails from the Climatic Research Unit, that revealed the<BR>> collaborations among the climate science conspirators to rig the<BR>> climate data.<BR>><BR>> For example, consider the Geological Society of America headlining<BR>> their upcoming Oct. 2011 annual meeting with the theme "Archean to<BR>> Anthropocene," implying that human impacts on Earth are somehow<BR>> connected to a new period in Earth's geological or climate history.<BR>> Ha!<BR>><BR>> The ease with which gullible scientists, and the peer review process<BR>> for science publishing integrity, has been manipulated to promote<BR>> bogus climate science is a testament to the success of modern<BR>> propaganda scare tactics, employed by the liberal political<BR>> establishment to justify big government socialist control. Of course,<BR>>
many of these scientists are simply motivated by the money, career<BR>> advancement or fame gained from the scare tactic of global warming<BR>> promoting big grants and books sales.<BR>><BR>> We are pleased to have these naive, profiteering, or politically<BR>> motivated scientists be pawns in the Knights Carbonic's grand plan for<BR>> big government control! Read about the propaganda these scientists<BR>> will spread at the Geological Society of America 2011 meeting in<BR>> October this year in Minneapolis at websites below:<BR>><BR>> GSA 2011 Annual Meeting and Exposition: Archean to Anthropocene:<BR>><BR>> <A href="http://www.geosociety.org/meetings/2011/" target=_blank>http://www.geosociety.org/meetings/2011/</A><BR>><BR>> At website below. published in GSA today Feb. 2008, hoax science<BR>> propaganda paper titled "Are we now living in the Anthropocene?"<BR>> answering this question in the
affirmative:<BR>><BR>> <A href="http://www.geosociety.org/gsatoday/archive/18/2/pdf/i1052-5173-18-2-4.pdf" target=_blank>http://www.geosociety.org/gsatoday/archive/18/2/pdf/i1052-5173-18-2-4.pdf</A><BR>><BR>> The Vatican is also part of the global warming hoax, with more<BR>> propaganda just released in May, 2011, also claiming we are in the<BR>> "Anthropocene," as can be read at the website below:<BR>><BR>> Fate of Mountain Glaciers in the Anthropocene:<BR>><BR>> <A href="http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_academies/acdscien/2011/PAS_Glacier_110511_final.pdf" target=_blank>http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_academies/acdscien/2011/PAS_Glacier_110511_final.pdf</A><BR>><BR>> ------------------------------------------<BR>> Vision2020 Post: Ted Moffett<BR>><BR>> =======================================================<BR>> List services made available by First Step
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