<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span>I don't make the rules. Take it up with teh interwebs if you think it's stupid.</span></div><div><br><span></span></div><div><span>I'm not really trying to win any sort of debate here, myself. Just trying to impart a little perspective. Use at your own risk. That's why Godwin's Law is remarkably effective, actually. It's a good indicator that rationality has left the building and that further debate is only useful for the lulz.<br></span></div><div><br><span></span></div><div><span>Paul<br></span></div><div><br></div><div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"><div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"><font face="Arial" size="2"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Joe Campbell
<philosopher.joe@gmail.com><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Tom Hansen <thansen@moscow.com><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> Paul Rumelhart <godshatter@yahoo.com>; Saundra Lund <v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm>; Vision 2020 <vision2020@moscow.com><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Friday, May 13, 2011 9:31 AM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Vision2020] Questions About Semi-Megaloads in Moscow<br></font><br>
<meta http-equiv="x-dns-prefetch-control" content="off"><div id="yiv1847457873">I made this point but Paul is not listening. There was no comparison.<br><br>The claim that "the first person in an argument who compares the other side to the Nazis loses the debate" is just stupid. Why not just make the winner the person with the best haircut? The person with the worst argument loses the debate.<br>
<br><div class="yiv1847457873gmail_quote">On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 8:17 AM, Tom Hansen <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:thansen@moscow.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">thansen@moscow.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="yiv1847457873gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
Let me get one thing straight to Mr. Rumelhart and to the rest of you<br>
lacking any sense of comprehension.<br>
<br>
My reference to Nazis was NOT aimed at Wayne Krauss.<br>
<br>
My comment, word for word, . . .<br>
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"Excusing Krauss because the megaloads weren't anywhere near US95 or<br>
Moscow yet is like justifying the Nazis as long as they knock on somebody<br>
else's door."<br>
<br>
</div>The comparison I clearly drew was between "megaloads weren't anywhere near<br>
US95 or Moscow" and Nazis knocking "on somebody else's door."<br>
<br>
If you really do feel like dragging this dead horse around with you, how<br>
about taking to your buddies at teh sandbox, ok?<br>
<br>
'Nuff said.<br>
<br>
Now, if you will excuse me, I have four hours of Moscow Megaload Meeting<br>
videos to edit and post.<br>
<br>
Tom Hansen<br>
Moscow, Idaho<br>
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On Fri, May 13, 2011 7:34 am, Paul Rumelhart wrote:<br>
><br>
> Believe me, I'm no fan of Newt Gingrich. All I need to know about him<br>
> is that he pressed his first wife for divorce while she was in the<br>
> hospital recovering from cancer-related surgery, not to mention<br>
> committing adultery while criticizing Clinton for doing the same thing<br>
> during the Monica Lewinski scandal.<br>
><br>
> Anyway, the idea is that the first person in an argument who compares<br>
> the other side to the Nazis loses the debate.<br>
><br>
> Paul<br>
><br>
> On 05/13/2011 12:00 AM, Saundra Lund wrote:<br>
>> Huh -- I wasn't familiar with that term.<br>
>><br>
>> Since you cited the Wikipedia article ("has been invoked for the<br>
>> inappropriate use of Nazi analogies in articles or speeches"), then do<br>
>> you agree that hyperbolic "Godwin's law" (which you obviously accept<br>
>> since you called it) is far more appropriately applied to Nasty Newt<br>
>> Gingrich than to Tom Hansen& to Ted Moffett (in his "Saint Augustine:<br>
>> "Hypocrisy is the tribute that vice pays to virtue" response)?<br>
>><br>
>> Just wonderin'. . .<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Saundra Lund<br>
>> Moscow, ID<br>
>><br>
>> The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to<br>
>> do nothing.<br>
>> ~ Edmund Burke<br>
>><br>
>> ***** Original material contained herein is Copyright 2011 through life<br>
>> plus 70 years, Saundra Lund. Do not copy, forward, excerpt, or<br>
>> reproduce outside the Vision 2020 forum without the express written<br>
>> permission of the author.*****<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> -----Original Message-----<br>
>> From: Paul Rumelhart [mailto:<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>]<br>
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 6:34 PM<br>
>> To: Tom Hansen<br>
>> Cc: Saundra Lund; 'Vision 2020'; 'Donovan Arnold'<br>
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Questions About Semi-Megaloads in Moscow<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Wow, you've just Godwin'd this thread by comparing this issue to the<br>
>> Nazis. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_Law<br>
>><br>
>> I'm not looking forward to having to wait an hour for these guys to move<br>
>> a semi-megaload down the highway, but let's try to keep some perspective<br>
>> here. We're talking traffic delays, possible road damage, possible<br>
>> electricity outages, and one giant megacorp putting a little more money<br>
>> in their giant coffers than they otherwise would. Besides, if we "win",<br>
>> they'll just find a more expensive way of moving these things and force<br>
>> the extra cost on to the consumers.<br>
>><br>
>> I'm not saying you're not fighting the good fight, let's just keep it in<br>
>> perspective.<br>
>><br>
>> Paul<br>
>><br>
>> On 05/11/2011 11:02 AM, Tom Hansen wrote:<br>
>>> Excusing Krauss because the megaloads weren't anywhere near US95 or<br>
>>> Moscow yet is like justifying the Nazis as long as they knock on<br>
>>> somebody else's door.<br>
>><br>
>> <snip><br>
>><br>
>><br>
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