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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The meeting is a farce because Exxon lies. Ie.
can't make megaloads smaller.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The meeting is a farce because the Govenor and ITD
rubbber stamps anything Exxon wants.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The meeting is a farce because Exxon's technical
expertise was shown to be suspect when they sent the load on hwy 12 and had the
power line issues (great job rubber stamping ITD).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Don't like to be pesimistic but exxon gets what
exxon wants and the rest is lip service.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Cheers</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Andy Boyd<BR></DIV></FONT>
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<A title=donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com
href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">Donovan Arnold</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=deco@moscow.com
href="mailto:deco@moscow.com">Art Deco</A> ; <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">Vision 2020</A> ; <A
title=kcraine@frontier.com href="mailto:kcraine@frontier.com">Craine Kit</A> ;
<A title=suehovey@moscow.com href="mailto:suehovey@moscow.com">Sue Hovey</A> ;
<A title=thansen@moscow.com href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">Tom Hansen</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, May 11, 2011 9:59
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Questions About
Semi-Megaloads in Moscow</DIV>
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<DIV>Tom Hansen,</DIV>
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<DIV>Thanks for the history lesson. But that doesn't change any of the
facts on the ground. The meeting is still a farce because it won't be to
discuss the concerns of the Idaho and Moscow residents unless they
are technical questions about how the transportation will
proceed.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>In all fairness, Council President Krauss was correct that the
mega-loads were not Moscow's specific concern because at the
time he said it the loads were not scheduled to come through
Moscow.<BR></DIV>
<DIV>The only thing people of Moscow are being offered is lip
service and information on how the mega-loads are going to come roaring
through downtown in the dead of night. Where is the meeting on how and
what is being done to prevent this from happening? Until that happens,
people are just being played with by the politicians, lawyers, and the
big oil companies that fund them. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Remember Governor Cecil D. Andrus and how he blocked the Feds
from entering the state with nuclear waste?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> "I've got a state policeman and 15 of his friends, and all of
them are prepared to do what is necessary if that truck makes it inside
the borders of this state." </DIV>
<DIV><A
href="http://www.nytimes.com/1991/02/08/us/idaho-governor-blocks-shipments-of-atom-waste-to-us-dump-site.html">http://www.nytimes.com/1991/02/08/us/idaho-governor-blocks-shipments-of-atom-waste-to-us-dump-site.html</A></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Too bad we don't have politicians with courage and a working moral
compass today that really look out for the people they represent! The
rights of local citizens and property owners, and our pristine
irreplaceable environment should not be ignored or put at risk of
destruction in favor of the most privileged billionaires that offer
nothing in return for their trespasses against us. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Donovan Arnold</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><BR>--- On <B>Wed, 5/11/11, Tom Hansen
<I><thansen@moscow.com></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
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Tom Hansen <thansen@moscow.com><BR>Subject: Re: [Vision2020]
Questions About Semi-<SPAN><SPAN>Megaloads</SPAN></SPAN> in
Moscow<BR>To: "Donovan Arnold" <donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com>,
"Art Deco" <deco@moscow.com>, "Vision 2020"
<vision2020@moscow.com>, "Craine Kit"
<kcraine@frontier.com>, "Sue Hovey"
<suehovey@moscow.com><BR>Date: Wednesday, May 11, 2011, 8:27
AM<BR><BR>
<DIV class=plainMail>A little history lesson here, Mr. Arnold . .
.<BR><BR>On June 28, 2010 the Idaho Transportation Department began
what was<BR>expected to be a series of community discussions in
Moscow, Lewiston, and<BR>Kamiah. ITD, Conoco, and ExxonMobil
were under the impression that these<BR>forums were to be conducted
similar to a "high school career day" where<BR>representatives from
Conoco and ExxonMobil would present a short speech<BR>from their
respective displays. Shortly after Rep. Tom Trail arrived
at<BR>the meeting, was informed of the meeting's format, and had a
"discussion"<BR>with the ITD rep, the forum was re-formatted to
include a Q&A portion.<BR><BR><A
href="http://www.moscowcares.com/highway12/ITDmtg_062810.htm"
target=_blank>http://www.moscowcares.com/highway12/ITDmtg_062810.htm</A><BR><BR>----------------------<BR><BR>On
August 16, 2010, during the public commentary portion of the
Moscow<BR>City Council session, it was suggested that Moscow adopt a
resolution<BR>against the transporting of oversized loads on Highway
12.<BR><BR>To which Moscow City Council President Wayne Krauss
responded, on<BR>September 6th, that the megaloads were none of
Moscow's concern.<BR><BR><A
href="http://www.moscowcares.com/highway12/MoscowCC_PubCom_Hwy12Res.htm"
target=_blank>http://www.moscowcares.com/highway12/MoscowCC_PubCom_Hwy12Res.htm</A><BR><BR>----------------------<BR><BR>On
April 4, 2011 the Idaho Transportation Department presented a report
to<BR>the Moscow City Council outlining US95 and I90 as alternate
routes for a<BR>portion of the Highway 12 megaloads. In strong
suggestive language (using<BR>terms like "right" and "ethics") Mayor
Chaney asked that a public forum be<BR>conducted in Moscow so that
Moscow's citizens may be heard on this issue.<BR><BR><A
href="http://www.moscowcares.com/040411_05_MegaloadsITD.htm"
target=_blank>http://www.moscowcares.com/040411_05_MegaloadsITD.htm</A><BR><BR>----------------------<BR><BR>On
April 18, 2011, during the Moscow City Council session, Mayor
Chaney<BR>presented an update concerning the potential for megaloads
being<BR>transported through Moscow on US95.<BR><BR><A
href="http://www.moscowcares.com/041811_05_Megaloads.htm"
target=_blank>http://www.moscowcares.com/041811_05_Megaloads.htm</A><BR><BR>------------------------------------<BR><BR>So
. . . you see, Mr. Arnold. In my opinion, where the people of
Moscow<BR>are concerned, Mayor Chaney has their back.<BR><BR>Perhaps
your anguish would be better aimed at Moscow City Council<BR>President
Wayne Krauss who publicly expressed that these megaloads are not<BR>of
Moscow's concern.<BR><BR>Footnote, V-peeps: Although Rep. Tom
Trail and Moscow City Council<BR>President Wayne Krauss are both
members of the Republican Party, there are<BR>three words that clearly
define the difference between them . . .<BR><BR>CONCERN FOR
CONSTITUENTS<BR><BR>You decide who's got your back next time you step
into the voting booth.<BR><BR>Seeya round town, Moscow.<BR><BR>Tom
Hansen<BR>Moscow, Idaho<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>On Wed,
May 11, 2011 6:40 am, Donovan Arnold wrote:<BR>> Sue,<BR>>
 <BR>> I don't think that Mayor Cheney believes that the
other issues are not of<BR>> concern. I just don't think the Mayor
can restrict what people can ask,<BR>> only what she and her
invited speakers are willing to address. I think<BR>> having a
public forum simply to take only technical questions is rather<BR>>
pointless unless you are an engineering student. Most people won't
have<BR>> technical questions about the transport
if explained the process in a<BR>> well written article
posted on the internet and published in the paper. I<BR>> think the
meeting is a farce if the real questions and
concerns people<BR>> have are not even allowed to be
asked.<BR>> Â <BR>> How about this question? What can the
people do to stop these<BR>> mega-transports?<BR>>
 <BR>> Donovan Arnold<BR>><BR>> --- On Tue, 5/10/11,
Sue Hovey <<A
href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=suehovey@moscow.com"
ymailto="mailto:suehovey@moscow.com">suehovey@moscow.com</A>>
wrote:<BR>><BR>><BR>> From: Sue Hovey <<A
href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=suehovey@moscow.com"
ymailto="mailto:suehovey@moscow.com">suehovey@moscow.com</A>><BR>>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Questions About Semi-Megaloads in
Moscow<BR>> To: "Art Deco" <<A
href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=deco@moscow.com"
ymailto="mailto:deco@moscow.com">deco@moscow.com</A>>, "Vision
2020" <<A
href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=vision2020@moscow.com"
ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A>>,<BR>>
"Donovan Arnold" <<A
href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com"
ymailto="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com</A>>,
"Tom Hansen"<BR>> <<A
href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=thansen@moscow.com"
ymailto="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">thansen@moscow.com</A>>,
"Craine Kit" <<A
href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=kcraine@frontier.com"
ymailto="mailto:kcraine@frontier.com">kcraine@frontier.com</A>><BR>>
Date: Tuesday, May 10, 2011, 11:45
PM<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>
Tom, Donovan & All,<BR>>  <BR>> I don’t see that
framing the discussion around local issues is a signal<BR>> that
the Mayor has declared the rest to be ok. It seems to me
the<BR>> meeting was set to discuss impacts on our city. Those are
the concerns<BR>> which will determine whether they get a permit to
transport the rigs. <BR>> Obviously the other risks are not
important to the Governor, ITD, and<BR>> other folks or this
wouldn’t have already happened in Idaho.   As
a<BR>> group of citizens concerned with this whole mess--how Exxon
Mobile and<BR>> other oil extractors are willing to do any damage
to any environment, and<BR>> any people simply to turn a
profit—you point out a legitimate discussion<BR>> topic for
Moscow citizens, and I bet the mayor is willing to have that<BR>>
meeting, too. Why not ask her. <BR>>  <BR>>
Sue H.<BR>><BR>><BR>> Â <BR>><BR>> From: Art
Deco<BR>> Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2011 12:39 PM<BR>> To: Vision
2020<BR>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Questions About Semi-Megaloads
in Moscow<BR>> Â <BR>><BR>> These megaloads are an
extremely great deal for us!<BR>> Â <BR>> We can help kill
lots of First Nations Canadians and others, cause the<BR>> greatest
environmental disaster in the history of North America, and
help<BR>> our sneakiest global competitors, the Chinese, who own
the majority<BR>> interests in the tar sands projects, to prosper
even more at our expense.<BR>> Â <BR>> Paraphrasing
Langston Hughes:Â Everyone benefits from these
megaloads.<BR>> Big oil gets to ride, we gets to watch them
ride.<BR>> Â <BR>> w.<BR>> Â <BR>><BR>> -----
Original Message -----<BR>> From: Donovan Arnold<BR>> To: Tom
Hansen ; Craine Kit<BR>> Cc: Moscow Vision 2020<BR>> Sent:
Tuesday, May 10, 2011 11:40 AM<BR>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020]
Questions About Semi-Megaloads in Moscow<BR>>
 <BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> My
Questions;<BR>> Â <BR>> How did the Mayor acquire the
ability to dictate what questions can an<BR>> cannot be asked? I
understand informing people they will only answer<BR>> questions
they feel are related to the transport of the megaloads, but
to<BR>> tell people what they can and cannot ask seems more like a
scripted event<BR>> than an actual Q&A session.<BR>>
 <BR>> Why should any people be required to allow these
megaloads to be run<BR>> through their towns when they are not
designed to handle this kind<BR>> transport? I don't think it would
hurt Exxon Mobile financially to find<BR>> another means of
transporting their product without disrupting the quality<BR>> of
life, safety, and well being of others with lesser means than
them.<BR>> Â <BR>> Donovan Arnold<BR>> Â <BR>>
 <BR>> --- On Tue, 5/10/11, Craine Kit <<A
href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=kcraine@frontier.com"
ymailto="mailto:kcraine@frontier.com">kcraine@frontier.com</A>>
wrote:<BR>><BR>><BR>> From: Craine Kit <<A
href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=kcraine@frontier.com"
ymailto="mailto:kcraine@frontier.com">kcraine@frontier.com</A>><BR>>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Questions About Semi-Megaloads in
Moscow<BR>> To: "Tom Hansen" <<A
href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=thansen@moscow.com"
ymailto="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">thansen@moscow.com</A>><BR>>
Cc: "Moscow Vision 2020" <<A
href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=vision2020@moscow.com"
ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A>><BR>>
Date: Tuesday, May 10, 2011, 9:47 AM<BR>><BR>><BR>> Of
course, one must ask about the impact of the convoy of 30 or
so <BR>> vehicles--which is said to take an hour to pass any
particular point.<BR>><BR>> Kit
Craine<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> On May 10,
2011, at 5:43 AM, Tom Hansen wrote:<BR>><BR>>> Courtesy of
today's (May 10, 2011) Moscow-Pullman Daily
News.<BR>>><BR>>>
--------------------------------------------------------------------------<BR>>><BR>>>
OUR VIEW: Questions about semimegaloads in Moscow<BR>>> Lee
Rozen, for the editorial board<BR>>> Posted on: Tuesday, May 10,
2011<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> In the middle of about 60
nights this year, Imperial Oil/ExxonMobil <BR>>>
wants<BR>>> to send oil equipment convoys that are a block or so
long, two lanes <BR>>> wide<BR>>> and 16 feet tall
rumbling and blinking north through downtown
Moscow.<BR>>><BR>>> The Korean-built equipment would head
from Lewiston via U.S. Highway <BR>>> 95,<BR>>>
Interstate 90 and Montana to the Kearl Oil Sands in Alberta. To
get <BR>>> each<BR>>> load from Lewiston to the
Benewah County line should take one night<BR>>> between 10 p.m.
and 5:30 a.m. Officials promise traffic delays of
no <BR>>> more<BR>>> than 15
minutes.<BR>>><BR>>> But the travel plan is under review,
and neither Idaho nor Montana has<BR>>> issued the necessary
permits, or said when they will. The Moscow<BR>>> semi-megaload
route has been chosen because of the delays in getting<BR>>>
megaloads up the scenic U.S. Highway 12
corridor.<BR>>><BR>>> ExxonMobil and Idaho Transportation
Department officials have <BR>>> deigned to<BR>>>
listen to Moscow's concerns about that at 7 p.m. Wednesday at
the <BR>>> Hamilton<BR>>> Indoor Recreation Center,
1724 E. F St.<BR>>><BR>>> At that meeting. ITD and oil
company officials will talk first, and <BR>>>
then<BR>>> take questions and comments from those who have
signed in. Also, you <BR>>> can<BR>>> email your
thoughts to the ITD at <A
href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=comments@itd.idaho.gov"
ymailto="mailto:comments@itd.idaho.gov">comments@itd.idaho.gov</A>,
and the City<BR>>> Council at <A
href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=skalasz@ci.moscow.id.us"
ymailto="mailto:skalasz@ci.moscow.id.us">skalasz@ci.moscow.id.us</A>.<BR>>><BR>>>
Mayor Nancy Chaney apparently has declared the morality of
ExxonMobil<BR>>> profits, the Kearl Oil Sands project and fossil
fuel consumption<BR>>> off-limits for discussion Wednesday
night.<BR>>><BR>>> ExxonMobil made profits of $10.7
billion in first quarter 2011. Some <BR>>> say<BR>>>
the Kearl Oil Sands project is destroying the Canadian environment
and<BR>>> killing residents of the area.<BR>>><BR>>>
Still, that leaves plenty of questions that need
answers:<BR>>><BR>>> Who makes sure delays are only 15
minutes? What happens if they <BR>>>
aren't?<BR>>><BR>>> Will all cross-streets in Moscow be
closed?<BR>>><BR>>> Is it a delay if traffic keeps moving
at 15 miles an hour behind the<BR>>> convoy? (The ITD says it
isn't a delay; federal rules say it is.)<BR>>><BR>>> Who
pays for moving power lines and stoplights out of the
way?<BR>>><BR>>> Will this semi-megaload convoy be likely
to wake me up when it goes <BR>>> by my<BR>>> house
or apartment?<BR>>><BR>>> Will you notify shippers - and
the media so they can alert the <BR>>> public -
in<BR>>> advance of a convoy?<BR>>><BR>>> Once
permits are issued, can their terms be changed without
notice?<BR>>><BR>>> What if state police escorts get
called to an emergency? Will that <BR>>> stall<BR>>>
the convoy?<BR>>><BR>>> What if Montana won't let the
semi-megaloads in?<BR>>><BR>>> Let's hope we hear some
good answers.<BR>>><BR>>>
--------------------------------------------------------------------------<BR>>><BR>>>
Seeya there, Moscow.<BR>>><BR>>> Tom Hansen<BR>>>
Moscow, Idaho<BR>>><BR>>> "This is the 'Mouse that
Roared,' 'David and Goliath' and 'Avatar' all<BR>>> rolled into
one. We must remember that the thousands of
citizens <BR>>> involved<BR>>> in this effort to
protect their personal and family safety, their<BR>>> businesses
and their lifestyles are confronting some of the largest<BR>>>
international corporations in the world."<BR>>><BR>>> -
Linwood Laughy<BR>>><BR>>>
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