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<DIV><FONT size=2>Tom,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>Unless things have changed greatly without my notice, U.S.
courts cannot order actual castration (cruel and unusual punishment). Even
those offenders in the U.S. who would undergo voluntary castration or
nullification are legally SOL. It is generally against the law for
licensed medical professionals to castrate or to nullify anyone except for a
very limited number of medical reasons.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>So-called chemical castration may be available in some
jurisdictions, but the results of this are generally less effective than
surgical castration, last only as long as the treatment continues, and may
have some undesirable side effects.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>Not only does legislation against voluntary castration prevent
the treatment for pedophiles which is the most effective (though not 100%
effective) therapy for sexual offenders, such legislation also prevents
treatments for some very agonizing prostrate and other UT problems in older men
-- a treatment that is available in many other countries.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>w.</FONT></DIV>
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style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=thansen@moscow.com href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">Tom Hansen</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=rforce2003@yahoo.com
href="mailto:rforce2003@yahoo.com">Ron Force</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, May 06, 2011 9:00 AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Angry
Hens</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Just out of curiosity . . .<BR><BR>Does anybody know if
court-ordered castration curtail the possibility of a<BR>pedophile
re-offending (especially in the case of a serial pedphile)?<BR><BR>Just a
question.<BR><BR>Tom Hansen<BR>Moscow, Idaho<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>On Fri,
May 6, 2011 8:48 am, Ron Force wrote:<BR>> I knew someone who unknowingly
married a child molester. His mother didn't<BR>> reveal his past, thought
"he'd outgrown it", and of course, he didn't<BR>> reveal his record
(juvenile, and sealed). A couple of years into the<BR>> marriage, she
discovered he'd been molesting friends' children that they<BR>> had tended.
She turned him in to the police, and divorced him. He got a<BR>> long
stretch in the pen. She got a long stretch in psychotherapy, as did<BR>>
the kids. It destroyed her friendships and changed the course of her
life.<BR>> She eventually had to leave town.<BR>><BR>> Ugly stuff--I
wish science or society had some answers.<BR>><BR>> <BR>> Ron
Force<BR>> Moscow Idaho USA<BR>><BR>><BR>>
________________________________<BR>> From: Joe Campbell <<A
href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com">philosopher.joe@gmail.com</A>><BR>>
To: Paul Rumelhart <<A
href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</A>><BR>> Cc:
"<A href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A>" <<A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A>><BR>>
Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2011 5:25 PM<BR>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Angry
Hens<BR>><BR>><BR>> Above, Paul writes: "I'm glad that his church
elders are working with him<BR>> in an attempt to improve his
life."<BR>><BR>><BR>> But that is the issue. HOW can the elders
improve his life? What is the<BR>> recidivism rate for sex offenders, child
molesters? What is the recidivism<BR>> rate for sex offenders or child
molesters WHO RECEIVE TREATMENT? But<BR>> somehow we're to believe that
Doug Wilson can do better? Holy crap. This<BR>> is the celebration
ignorance gone too far.<BR>><BR>> Kai writes: "As I argued before, it is
the community's right to choose<BR>> what is socially
acceptable."<BR>><BR>> But the pedophile shows that this view is BS. If
the community says that<BR>> it is socially acceptable for adults to have
sex with children, the<BR>> community is wrong. Period. No amount of
philosophy is going to wreck this<BR>> rule.<BR>><BR>><BR>> This
is the area where the right wing view of tolerance is shown to go too<BR>>
far. Church elders don't have the right to say that they are experts
about<BR>> human psychology merely because they are church elders. The idea
that<BR>> knowledge is socially constructed and that all viewpoints are
equally<BR>> valid is bogus and easily refuted (see pedophilia above). And
dangerous.<BR>><BR>> And how dare either of you tell Rose and others to
shut up! There are at<BR>> least five of us who find this news interesting
and who are thankful for<BR>> it. And two of you who think it is unworthy
of public discussion.<BR>><BR>> Let free speech reign and damn those who
speak against it! Please use<BR>> delete rather than edit the content of
these pages.<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 4:21 PM,
Paul Rumelhart <<A
href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</A>><BR>>
wrote:<BR>><BR>><BR>>><BR>>>> (Sing along Kai, Paul,
Dougie, Dale. You must know the words by now.)<BR>>><BR>>>As
divisive as you guys seem to be, I still consider myself "on your<BR>>>
team", more-or-less. Meaning that I am far more liberal than I am<BR>>>
conservative, and have more in common with the "intoleristas" than I
do<BR>>> with Kai, Doug, and Dale. . We just disagree on a few things,
most of<BR>>> them having to do with the perceived importance of this
one church. <BR>>> Though I do acknowledge that I agree with Kai and
Dale on some occasions<BR>>> (I haven't seen Doug posting anywhere),
mostly having to do with<BR>>> financial matters. It would be nice if we
didn't draw so many lines in<BR>>> the sand. We might see areas where we
agree, and actually learn some<BR>>> respect for each
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