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<DIV>It means that if the Baby boomers were in charge back then there would have been an economic catastrophe not just a Great Depression, the Potato Famine of Ireland would have been a potato and corn extinction world wide, and there would have been 12 million Jews slaughtered instead of six million with weapons we gave the Nazis from a previous war when we were allies with the Nazis. Any questions? Good!</DIV>
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<DIV>Donovan Arnold<BR><BR>--- On <B>Thu, 3/31/11, Tom Hansen <I><thansen@moscow.com></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
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<DIV class=plainMail>This is all so confusing.<BR><BR>Does this mean that the Baby Boomers are also responsible for the Great<BR>Depression? The potato famine of Ireland? The slaughter of six million<BR>Jews in Nazi Germany? And so on . . . and so on . . .<BR><BR>Inquiring minds want to know, Mr. Arnold.<BR><BR>Tom Hansen<BR>Sergeant-at-Arms of the Baby Boomers' Moscow Sleeper Cell<BR><BR><BR><BR>On Thu, March 31, 2011 9:46 am, Donovan Arnold wrote:<BR>> Joe,<BR>> <BR>> I am not sure what you are saying here as you sound like you are<BR>> contradicting yourself;<BR>> <BR>> "I've criticized them but I don't think I've picked out any group and<BR>> blamed our problems on them in the way that you've done with baby-boomers<BR>> below."<BR>> <BR>> And then you say;<BR>> <BR>> "I blame the tea baggers for blaming liberals for our problems in the same<BR>> general way that you blame
baby-boomers."<BR>> <BR>> Are you blaming a whole group of people or are you not? As was the<BR>> original question. It sounds to me that you are doing just that. The only<BR>> real difference I see from your argument and mine is that I blame the<BR>> Republicans mostly, but all the Democrats and the unaffiliated <SPAN>babyboomer</SPAN><BR>> generation as a whole, while you are just blaming one aspect of the<BR>> babyboomers?<BR>> <BR>> You are blaming the "Tea Party" I am blaming the "Me Party".<BR>> <BR>> Individually, members of the babyboomer generation can be wonderful<BR>> charismatic people that have done good, but as a group, or generation,<BR>> they have ruined the world as we know it and as it should have been. I<BR>> don't see how you can look at the facts and the situations we are in<BR>> today and deny that with a honest response.<BR>> <BR>>
Donovan Arnold<BR>> <BR>> <BR>><BR>> --- On Wed, 3/30/11, Joe Campbell <<A href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=philosopher.joe@gmail.com" ymailto="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com">philosopher.joe@gmail.com</A>> wrote:<BR>><BR>><BR>> From: Joe Campbell <<A href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=philosopher.joe@gmail.com" ymailto="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com">philosopher.joe@gmail.com</A>><BR>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] American arrogance and arms accounting (was:<BR>> NPR)<BR>> To: "Donovan Arnold" <<A href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com" ymailto="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com</A>><BR>> Cc: <A href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=vision2020@moscow.com" ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A><BR>> Date: Wednesday, March 30, 2011, 9:02
PM<BR>><BR>><BR>> Well, I'm not blaming the tea party for our problems! I've criticized them<BR>> but I don't think I've picked out any group and blamed our problems on<BR>> them in the way that you've done with baby-boomers below. I think most of<BR>> our problems are the result of the two-term idiot we had as president but<BR>> even he is not responsible for a lot that led to our recession. I blame<BR>> the tea baggers for blaming liberals for our problems in the same general<BR>> way that you blame baby-boomers.<BR>><BR>><BR>> On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 4:41 PM, Donovan Arnold<BR>> <<A href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com" ymailto="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com</A>> wrote:<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> Yes Joe, I blame the Babyboomer generation as opposed to blaming a<BR>> political group
that has existed for less than a few years for being the<BR>> cause of all of America's problems.<BR>> <BR>> I don't think the Teaparty, for as annoying and wrong as they are, have<BR>> any real influence on current and past major events leading to the<BR>> insurmountable debt and problems we face today. Perhaps you can explain<BR>> how they are and the Babyboomers were not?<BR>> <BR>> Donovan Arnold<BR>><BR>><BR>> --- On Wed, 3/30/11, Joe Campbell <<A href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=philosopher.joe@gmail.com" ymailto="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com">philosopher.joe@gmail.com</A>> wrote:<BR>><BR>><BR>> From: Joe Campbell <<A href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=philosopher.joe@gmail.com" ymailto="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com">philosopher.joe@gmail.com</A>><BR>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] American arrogance and arms accounting
(was:<BR>> NPR)<BR>> To: "Donovan Arnold" <<A href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com" ymailto="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com</A>><BR>> Cc: <A href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=vision2020@moscow.com" ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A><BR>> Date: Wednesday, March 30, 2011, 4:27 PM<BR>><BR>><BR>> Right. Blame a generation. That's helpful.<BR>><BR>><BR>> On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 4:09 PM, Donovan Arnold<BR>> <<A href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com" ymailto="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com</A>> wrote:<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> I just think a lot of the fraud and financial crisis is the result of the<BR>> Babyboomers. You cannot really tag it on any one particular political<BR>>
group, or one person. Babyboomers have spend more money than any other<BR>> generation before it, including those that fought WWII. They have indebted<BR>> the nation beyond the capability of future generations to pay back and<BR>> live any type of quality of life. They have burned more fuel then all the<BR>> previous generation before or after combined. I won't even get into the<BR>> environmental disasters they have plagued the world over with. They have<BR>> behaved as greedy pigs at the trough. With the trough being the fruits of<BR>> labor of previous and future generations.<BR>> <BR>> Donovan Arnold<BR>><BR>> --- On Wed, 3/30/11, Joe Campbell <<A href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=philosopher.joe@gmail.com" ymailto="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com">philosopher.joe@gmail.com</A>> wrote:<BR>><BR>><BR>> From: Joe Campbell <<A
href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=philosopher.joe@gmail.com" ymailto="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com">philosopher.joe@gmail.com</A>><BR>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] American arrogance and arms accounting (was:<BR>> NPR)<BR>> To: "Kenneth Marcy" <<A href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=kmmos1@frontier.com" ymailto="mailto:kmmos1@frontier.com">kmmos1@frontier.com</A>><BR>> Cc: <A href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=vision2020@moscow.com" ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A><BR>> Date: Wednesday, March 30, 2011, 3:06 PM<BR>><BR>><BR>> Thanks, Ken. This is exactly why I can't take criticisms of NPR seriously.<BR>> How many times does Roger complain about about how we don't have enough<BR>> money? Yet how little does he talk about the kinds of waste that you note<BR>> below, wastes from the military and monetary losses caused by
unchecked<BR>> members of the business community? If it were really about MONEY we'd get<BR>> criticisms of more than NPR and education. And the fact is once you do<BR>> away with adequate news sources and gut American education it is going to<BR>> be a lot harder for the average folk to spot the lies and fallacies of the<BR>> tea baggers.<BR>><BR>><BR>> On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 2:45 PM, Kenneth Marcy <<A href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=kmmos1@frontier.com" ymailto="mailto:kmmos1@frontier.com">kmmos1@frontier.com</A>><BR>> wrote:<BR>><BR>> On Wednesday 30 March 2011 13:05:19 Joe Campbell wrote:<BR>>> We're not spending too much on NPR! We spend more bombing Libya in one<BR>>> day<BR>>> than a year's worth of NPR! I don't see any good arguments supporting<BR>>> your<BR>>> case. That's all.<BR>><BR>> American aggression overseas, however much it may be in aid of
moral<BR>> causes,<BR>> is unmatched by its awful armaments accounting at home. If one wishes to<BR>> be<BR>> aware of the most egregious levels of American aggression, look at the<BR>> artless<BR>> accounting appeasement that has continued for decades among those who<BR>> claim<BR>> accounting and auditing expertise and the American military establishment.<BR>><BR>> The military-industrial complex of contractors and their aides,<BR>> accomplices,<BR>> and accessories have failed to produce understandable, comprehensive,<BR>> audited<BR>> financial statements for American military activities for as long as<BR>> anyone can<BR>> remember. This financial and managerial reporting void should be a source<BR>> of<BR>> perpetual embarrassment to anyone who claims to have any sense of federal<BR>> fiscal or taxpayer concern.<BR>><BR>><BR>> Ken<BR>><BR>>
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