<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:12pt"><span style="font-style: italic;">Inside Idaho</span>, a service of the UI Library has the following database:<br><br>Daily Climatological Data for Idaho<br>Idaho State Climate Services<br><br><span>Daily climatological data from National Weather Service (NWS) stations for Idaho from July 1892 - May 2008. For information on how these data were collected please see the NWS Cooperative Observer Program: <a target="_blank" href="http://www.nws.noaa.gov/om/coop/what-is-coop.html">http://www.nws.noaa.gov/om/coop/what-is-coop.html</a>.</span><br>Access these Data:<br>Microsoft Access Database (.mdb)<br><br>Link here: <span> <a target="_blank" href="http://tinyurl.com/4t6o9qa">http://tinyurl.com/4t6o9qa</a></span><br> <br><div> </div>Ron Force<br>Moscow Idaho
USA<div><br></div><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><br><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Ted Moffett <starbliss@gmail.com><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Paul Rumelhart <godshatter@yahoo.com><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> Moscow Vision 2020 <vision2020@moscow.com><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Thu, March 10, 2011 11:22:00 AM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Vision2020] Despite La Nina, Moscow's Meteorological Winter (Dec./Jan./Feb.) Saw Below Ave. Precipitation<br></font><br>
Don't apologize if there is nothing to apologize for... But if so, for<br>penance, I recommend you directly contact NASA's Gavin Schmidt or<br>James Hansen at Goddard Insitute for Space Studies to explain your<br>profound theories regarding why their climate science is as unrelibale<br>as you emphatically assert it is... Of course, they might just laugh,<br>or not bother with a response. But I have corresponded briefly with<br>Schmidt, to receive my encrypted marching orders to advance the<br>political takeover of public climate science education to promote the<br>great anthropogenic global warming hoax that one day, as a card<br>carrying member of the Knights Carbonic, will lead us to total world<br>domination. Unfortunately, our plans were partially revealed in<br>emails stolen from the Climatic Research Unit of East Anglia<br>University in the United Kingdom, but we have regrouped with much<br>tighter security protocols: Read
here:<br><span><a target="_blank" href="http://www.monbiot.com/2009/11/23/the-knights-carbonic/">http://www.monbiot.com/2009/11/23/the-knights-carbonic/</a></span><br>-----------------------<br>I attempted to find data on local precipitation direcly form the U of<br>I weather station from whatever source would offer the most "raw" data<br>(Whatever that is! Read "A Vast Machine: Computer Models, Climate<br>Data, and the Politics of Global Warming<br><span>": <a target="_blank" href="http://mitpress.mit.edu/catalog/item/default.asp?ttype=2&tid=12080">http://mitpress.mit.edu/catalog/item/default.asp?ttype=2&tid=12080</a></span><br>) but had problems accessing the website (even assuming I had the<br>correct website...).<br><br>Maybe someone knows the most direct source for the U of I weather<br>station's entire historical data set?<br><br>Someone once sent me an actual page of U of I weather station data<br>with all the data for the month of
Dec. 1968, the month of the record<br>coldest day for Moscow, Idaho, Dec. 30, at 42 below F., that might<br><span>have come from the NCDC ( <a target="_blank" href="http://www7.ncdc.noaa.gov/IPS/cd/cd.html">http://www7.ncdc.noaa.gov/IPS/cd/cd.html</a> ).</span><br>It featured a note that the data are "quality controlled" and "may not<br>be identical to the original observations." See what mean about so<br>called "raw" data? The Knights Carbonic are everywhere!<br><br>Here is a part of the page in question:<br><br>Station: MOSCOW U OF I<br>State: ID County: LATAH Standard Time: PACIFIC<br>Record of Climatological Observations<br>These data are quality controlled and may not be identical to the<br>original observations<br><br>--------------------------<br>Anyway, I suspect your Moscow average monthly precipitation graph is<br>based on incorrect or incomplete data, or the data is misintrepreted.<br><br>I found two other sources for Moscow,
Idaho average monthly<br>precipitation, and both agree exactly with <a target="_blank" href="http://weather.com">weather.com</a>, showing Dec.<br>at 3.14 inches, Jan. at 2.99 inches and Feb. at 2.52 inches (8.65<br>total for meterorological winter). The first website below asserts<br>the source as the U of I weather station:<br><br><span><a target="_blank" href="http://www.idcide.com/weather/id/moscow.htm">http://www.idcide.com/weather/id/moscow.htm</a></span><br><br>Normal Precipitation<br>(MOSCOW U OF I Weather station, 1.63 miles from Moscow)<br>Month Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec Annual<br>Inch 2.99 2.52 2.57 2.52 2.62 1.87 1.12 1.19 1.28 2.01 3.54 3.14 27.37<br><br>----------------<br>The same values for monthly average precipitation are listed at this<br>website, giving a NOAA station ID:<br><br>NOAA Station ID: ID106152<br><br><span><a target="_blank"
href="http://www.climate-charts.com/USA-Stations/ID/ID106152.php">http://www.climate-charts.com/USA-Stations/ID/ID106152.php</a></span><br>----------------<br>I think it likely that weather.com simply posts the U of I or<br>NOAA/NCDC data on Moscow's weather, without keeping the "raw" data on<br>their website.<br>------------------------------------------<br>Vision2020 Post: Ted Moffett<br><br>On 3/9/11, Paul Rumelhart <<a ymailto="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com" href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br>> On 03/09/2011 01:46 PM, Ted Moffett wrote:<br>>> Good grief!<br>>><br>>> You take the time and trouble to graph out precipitation data from<br>>> another website, yet you don't simply search the weather.com website<br>>> to find the info you ask for that is easy to find?<br>>><br>>> More head games, I guess...<br>>><br>>> WTF!<br>>><br>>> But I'll play
along with your game...<br>><br>> The truth is, I had taken my lunch hour to gather that data and was<br>> already running late for getting back to work. I didn't think I had the<br>> time to search for the link, compare numbers, and to try to find out<br>> where they both gathered their data from. If you thought that I was<br>> trying to manipulate you or if you thought this was unforgivable<br>> behavior on my part, I apologize. It had taken me longer to gather the<br>> data and make the chart than I had at first anticipated.<br>><br>>> Read at weather.com website the historical average precipitation for<br>>> each month of the year for Moscow, Idaho, showing Dec. at 3.14 inches,<br>>> Jan. at 2.99 inches and Feb. at 2.52 inches, for a total of 8.65<br>>> inches for the meteorological winter:<br><span>>> <a target="_blank"
href="http://www.weather.com/outlook/driving/interstate/wxclimatology/monthly/graph/83843?s_oid=http://www.weather.com/outlook/driving/interstate/wxclimatology/monthly/graph/83843&s_oidt=0">http://www.weather.com/outlook/driving/interstate/wxclimatology/monthly/graph/83843?s_oid=http://www.weather.com/outlook/driving/interstate/wxclimatology/monthly/graph/83843&s_oidt=0</a></span><br>>> ---------------<br>>> As to differences between the weather data you offered and<br>>> weather.com, I have no clue.<br>><br>> Me neither. If I can find the time soon, I'll try to find out what data<br>> sources they use and report back. I have a couple of other projects in<br>> the pipeline, though, so it might take me some time.<br>><br>> Thank you for the link.<br>><br>>> Call NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies. Maybe climate<br>>> scientists Gavin Schmidt (<br><span>>> <a
target="_blank" href="http://pubs.giss.nasa.gov/authors/gschmidt.html">http://pubs.giss.nasa.gov/authors/gschmidt.html</a> ) or James Hansen (</span><br><span>>> <a target="_blank" href="http://pubs.giss.nasa.gov/authors/jhansen.html">http://pubs.giss.nasa.gov/authors/jhansen.html</a> ) can resolve the</span><br>>> discrepancy!<br>>><br>>> Just joking...<br>>><br>>> By the way, you might want to study this important research on climate<br>>> noted below from Goddard, from those climate science government funded<br>>> politically biased incompetents or frauds... (scathing sarcasm<br>>> scarcely disguised):<br>>><br><span>>> <a target="_blank" href="http://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/news/20101014/">http://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/news/20101014/</a></span><br>><br>> I have a couple of comments on this study (I've snipped some of the<br>> article for brevity):<br>><br>>>
How Carbon Dioxide Controls Earth's Temperature<br>>> October 14, 2010<br>>><br>>> Water vapor and clouds are the major contributors to Earth's<br>>> greenhouse effect, but a new atmosphere-ocean climate modeling study<br>>> shows that the planet's temperature ultimately depends on the<br>>> atmospheric level of carbon dioxide.<br>>><br>><br>>> The climate forcing experiment described in Science was simple in<br>>> design and concept — all of the non-condensing greenhouse gases and<br>>> aerosols were zeroed out, and the global climate model was run forward<br>>> in time to see what would happen to the greenhouse effect<br>><br>> This study is describing the outputs of a climate model that they<br>> developed, using assumptions they think are true.<br>><br>>> "Our climate modeling simulation should be viewed as an experiment in<br>>> atmospheric physics,
illustrating a cause and effect problem which<br>>> allowed us to gain a better understanding of the working mechanics of<br>>> Earth's greenhouse effect, and enabled us to demonstrate the direct<br>>> relationship that exists between rising atmospheric carbon dioxide and<br>>> rising global temperature," Lacis said.<br>><br>> I would agree that this simulation should be viewed as an experiment,<br>> *after* it has been validated by real-world observations. Until then,<br>> as far as I can tell from this article, it's not an "experiment", it's a<br>> description of a hypothesis. The fact that their computer simulation<br>> suggested this hypothesis is beside the point.<br>><br>> Paul<br>><br><br>=======================================================<br> List services made available by First Step Internet, <br> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994. <br><span>
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