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<DIV>Paying professors more certainly hasn't helped the quality of education, has it? Nor does paying a professor more money make them any smarter or better. So why not put the money where it would be most effective. But again, it isn't just overpaid professors, it is also administrators that misspend public funds including overpaying themselves.</DIV>
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<DIV>I think the Palouse has a lot to offer. Good K-12 schools, safe neighborhoods, great public parks and wonderful people, not to mention the beauty of Idaho and no 45 minute commute to work. Things a higher salary cannot buy in other areas that offer comparable salaries. </DIV>
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<DIV>Donovan Arnold<BR><BR>--- On <B>Sat, 2/26/11, Joe Campbell <I><philosopher.joe@gmail.com></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
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<DIV> Exactly how will paying professors less improve the quality of education?<BR><BR><BR></DIV>
<DIV><BR>On Feb 26, 2011, at 7:16 AM, Donovan Arnold <<A href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com</A>> wrote:<BR><BR></DIV>
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<DIV>Thanks for the <SPAN><SPAN><SPAN><SPAN>dialogue</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN>. There are limits on what doctors can charge for medicare and medicaid whom represent the poorest and most vulnerable of our society. I think there should be limits on what someone can charge when something is either a necessity of living or is subsidized by the taxpayer. If it is neither, then I think you can charge what you wish. I don't think <SPAN>UI</SPAN> and WSU exist to hire the best and brightest professors, as the people of Idaho and Washington don't need it. What they need is a quality higher education they can afford. </DIV>
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<DIV>In a free market place, what counts as an "unfair profit"? Do you think that the money that doctors are allowed to charge the uninsured is "fair"? Do you think the price for baseball tickets is fair or unfair? Are we required to cap textbooks and education costs but not doctor fees?<BR><BR>I have to tell your overall education "plan" is unlikely to get the best and the brightest higher ed teachers: 5% pay-cut, no more than $70,000 per-year, a limit on how much they can charge for their own textbooks, etc.<BR><BR></DIV>
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<DIV>It seems to me that some people are trying to make unfair profit by raking advantage of poor struggling students when they charge so much for textbooks. What is sad is that part of the rip off is coming from people that are so-called pro-education and already doing well without the income of ripping off students and making education less accessible for many people. Education has become a for profit business with limited access to most people, not a priority any longer for our society as it should be and once was. </DIV>
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<DIV>Donovan Arnold<BR><BR>--- On <B>Fri, 2/25/11, Joe Campbell <I><<A href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=philosopher.joe@gmail.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank><A href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=philosopher.joe@gmail.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com">philosopher.joe@gmail.com</A></A>></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
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href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=vision2020@moscow.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A></A>" <<A href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=vision2020@moscow.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank><A href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=vision2020@moscow.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A></A>><BR>Date: Friday, February 25, 2011, 4:33 AM<BR><BR>
<DIV>Keep in mind that the libraries, which Donovan mentions, are part of that captive audience. <BR><BR><BR><BR>On Feb 24, 2011, at 11:54 PM, Kenneth Marcy <<A href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=kmmos1@frontier.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank></A><A href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=kmmos1@frontier.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank><A href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=kmmos1@frontier.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:kmmos1@frontier.com">kmmos1@frontier.com</A></A>> wrote:<BR><BR>> On Thursday 24 February 2011 21:22:25 Donovan Arnold wrote:<BR>>> Why are college books five times the price of other books? Who has $70 for<BR>>> each book? Especially when you can get all that information for free<BR>>> online or at your local library.<BR>> <BR>> College books are more expensive because, historically, publishers have <BR>> accustomed themselves to semi-captive
markets -- if they can capture adopting <BR>> professors, they (authors and publishers) can augment their revenues from <BR>> students required to avail themselves of the texts. Semi-captive markets are <BR>> not competitive, so suppliers can raise prices. I suspect this isn't news.<BR>> <BR>> You may notice that some of the MIT Press books have higher prices, say $70, <BR>> for cloth covered books, and lower prices, say $35, for paperback covers over <BR>> the same published materials. You don't have to pay the higher price if the <BR>> paperback cover is acceptable.<BR>> <BR>> It's true that some philosophical texts have been available for as long as <BR>> dozens of centuries. Many of those texts are readily available. Various texts <BR>> from different authors have content specific, if not unique, to that text and <BR>> its distinct author. A particular text from a particular author may not be <BR>>
represented by any other author's text, so one may have to have that specific <BR>> text to understand what that particular author thought and wrote on that <BR>> subject at that time. So, if one wishes to read specific writings associated <BR>> with participants in the annual philosophy conference on the <SPAN>Palouse</SPAN>, one <BR>> needs these volumes, not just general search access to the Internet or a local <BR>> library card.<BR>> <BR>> On the other hand, sometimes information that has been around for centuries, <BR>> and is available if one looks for it, can be repackaged in ways attractive to <BR>> professors and expensive for students, to the distinct benefit of publishers <BR>> and their authors. For example, James Stewart is a Canadian math professor and <BR>> author of many books, most notably a series of calculus books that have earned <BR>> him quite a bit of money. He chose to invest a large amount of
it in his <BR>> personal residence, which he calls Integral House. Here is a link to a Wall <BR>> Street Journal article with a description and images of the residence.<BR>> <BR>> <A href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123872378357585295.html#articleTabs%3Darticle" rel=nofollow target=_blank></A><A href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123872378357585295.html#articleTabs%3Darticle" rel=nofollow target=_blank><A href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123872378357585295.html#articleTabs%3Darticle" rel=nofollow target=_blank>http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123872378357585295.html#articleTabs%3Darticle</A></A><BR>> <BR>> Here is a link t<SPAN>o a</SPAN> MAA interview with James Stewart:<BR>> <BR>> <A href="http://www.maa.org/news/061809stewart.html" rel=nofollow target=_blank></A><A href="http://www.maa.org/news/061809stewart.html" rel=nofollow target=_blank><A href="http://www.maa.org/news/061809stewart.html" rel=nofollow
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