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<DIV><FONT size=4>Agreed, I think there is no harder job than being an
elementary teacher. Imagine recess duty during this weather, and that
doesn’t even have anything to do with the real work. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>Congratulations, Joe. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>Sue</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A
title=donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com
href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">Donovan Arnold</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, February 24, 2011 7:13 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=suehovey@moscow.com
href="mailto:suehovey@moscow.com">Sue Hovey</A> ; <A
title=philosopher.joe@gmail.com href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com">Joe
Campbell</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title=areaman@moscow.com href="mailto:areaman@moscow.com">Dan
Carscallen</A> ; <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">Moscow Vision 2020</A> </DIV>
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<DIV>Joe,</DIV>
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<DIV>Congratulations on your promotion!</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>You ask who I think is overpaid, OK, fine. Anyone making over $70,000
a year at UI or WSU is overpaid. If you want a list of names you can look
them yourself as they are available online. If an elementary teacher
starts at $28 K so should the teachers at the <SPAN>UI</SPAN> and WSU. It
is only fair. Elementary teachers have a harder job. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Donovan Arnold<BR><BR>--- On <B>Thu, 2/24/11, Joe Campbell
<I><philosopher.joe@gmail.com></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE
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Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe@gmail.com><BR>Subject: Re:
[Vision2020] Statesman weighs in on ISU<BR>To: "Sue Hovey"
<suehovey@moscow.com><BR>Cc: "Donovan Arnold"
<donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com>, "Dan Carscallen"
<areaman@moscow.com>, "Moscow Vision 2020"
<vision2020@moscow.com><BR>Date: Thursday, February 24, 2011, 7:26
PM<BR><BR>
<DIV id=yiv2038325286>Donovan writes: "But this is not the case for many
administrators and professors in our region who are paid often twice
what they are worth." Who? Which administrators and professors in our
region are paid twice what they are worth? You say "many." Name a few.
You won't and can't.<BR><BR>This is a reckless, irresponsible comment.
Go and make reckless comments about your own job but I would appreciate
it if you wouldn't make them about mine. At least not while both local
universities are in a financial crisis.<BR><BR>By the way, I found out
today that I've been promoted to full Professor.<BR><BR>Best,
Joe<BR><BR>
<DIV class=yiv2038325286gmail_quote>On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 2:46 PM, Sue
Hovey <SPAN dir=ltr><<A
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<DIV><FONT size=4>That’s what I was telling you. Your phrase
“government employees” covers them all. I’m not really in
a position to determine whether many administrators and professors in
our region are paid twice what they are worth but I will say the ones
I know and work with are dedicated, hard working folks.
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<DIV><FONT size=4>Sue </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><B>From:</B> <A title=donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com
href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com"
rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">Donovan Arnold</A>
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<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, February 24, 2011 12:24 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=areaman@moscow.com
href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=areaman@moscow.com"
rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:areaman@moscow.com">Dan
Carscallen</A> ; <A title=philosopher.joe@gmail.com
href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=philosopher.joe@gmail.com"
rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com">Joe Campbell</A> ; <A
title=suehovey@moscow.com
href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=suehovey@moscow.com"
rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:suehovey@moscow.com">Sue
Hovey</A> </DIV>
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<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=vision2020@moscow.com"
rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">Moscow Vision 2020</A> </DIV>
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<DIV>Sue,</DIV>
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<DIV>To the contrary, Sue, I am amazed at what some government
employees are able to do with so few resources here in Idaho.
Most people that work in the government are underpaid. But this
is not the case for many administrators and professors in our
region who are paid often twice what they are worth.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Elementary teachers, in general, and especially in Idaho,
are the most underpaid people for what they do, the crap they
put up with, and the amount of education they have acquired, and
the value of their work. Two of my best friends are teachers.
</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>You don't have to preach to me how underpaid people are
working with people with disabilities, I grew in a family that
did just that. My job almost every morning is to take care of
six people with disabilities.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I hope everything is going well in Hawaii, especially with
that US Rep of yours : P. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Donovan Arnold<BR><BR>--- On <B>Thu, 2/24/11, Sue Hovey
<I><<A
href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=suehovey@moscow.com"
rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:suehovey@moscow.com">suehovey@moscow.com</A>></I></B>
wrote:<BR></DIV>
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Sue <SPAN><SPAN>Hovey</SPAN></SPAN> <<A
href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=suehovey@moscow.com"
rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:suehovey@moscow.com">suehovey@moscow.com</A>><BR>Subject:
Re: [Vision2020] Statesman weighs in on
<SPAN>ISU</SPAN><BR>To: "Donovan Arnold" <<A
href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com"
rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com</A>>,
"Dan Carscallen" <<A
href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=areaman@moscow.com"
rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:areaman@moscow.com">areaman@moscow.com</A>>,
"Joe Campbell" <<A
href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=philosopher.joe@gmail.com"
rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com">philosopher.joe@gmail.com</A>><BR>Cc:
"Moscow Vision 2020" <<A
href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=vision2020@moscow.com"
rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A>><BR>Date:
Thursday, February 24, 2011, 2:08 PM<BR><BR>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>Donovan, </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>And, of course, this flip statement reflects
your assumption that by nature government employees aren’t
productive and should in every instance be able to do
more. I tell you, Donovan, the people who work with my
disabled daughter are underpaid, overworked, and are being
forced into situations for which they are unprepared.
And even so, in a few months almost 1/3rd or more may well be
jobless. It’s nice to have you back online again, but in
this case you really do know better. You’ve been
there. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>Even in the private sector getting along to
hold a job may well mean compromising ones ethics, harming
other folks, not standing up in the face of grave error.
That’s what those ISU folks were trying to oppose. Even if you
disagree with their intent your casting them as lazy and
unproductive ignores the issue.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>Sue H. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><B>From:</B> <A title=donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com
href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com"
rel=nofollow target=_blank>Donovan Arnold</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, February 23, 2011 4:2</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=areaman@moscow.com
href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=areaman@moscow.com"
rel=nofollow target=_blank>Dan Carscallen</A> ; <A
title=philosopher.joe@gmail.com
href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=philosopher.joe@gmail.com"
rel=nofollow target=_blank>Joe Campbell</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=vision2020@moscow.com"
rel=nofollow target=_blank>Moscow Vision 2020</A> </DIV>
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<DIV>The SBOE should just fire everyone if it wishes to
start fresh. Kind of hard to do that if they keep the
same President which is half the problem. Maybe if
government employees knew, like the rest of us in the
private sector, that if they cannot get along and be
productive they will be out of a job, they would try
harder to get things done.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Donovan Arnold<BR><BR>--- On <B>Tue, 2/22/11, Joe
Campbell <I><<A
href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=philosopher.joe@gmail.com"
rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com">philosopher.joe@gmail.com</A>></I></B>
wrote:<BR></DIV>
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Joe Campbell <<A
href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=philosopher.joe@gmail.com"
rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com">philosopher.joe@gmail.com</A>><BR>Subject:
Re: [Vision2020] Statesman weighs in on ISU<BR>To:
"Dan Carscallen" <<A
href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=areaman@moscow.com"
rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:areaman@moscow.com">areaman@moscow.com</A>><BR>Cc:
"Moscow Vision 2020" <<A
href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=vision2020@moscow.com"
rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A>><BR>Date:
Tuesday, February 22, 2011, 9:59 PM<BR><BR>
<DIV>Oops! I feel a bit like Roseanne
<SPAN>Roseannadana</SPAN>.
Nevermind!<SPAN></SPAN><BR><BR>
<DIV>On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 6:24 PM, Dan Carscallen
<SPAN dir=ltr><<A
href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=areaman@moscow.com"
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<DIV>Joe, </DIV>
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<DIV>Did you read the editorial? From what I gather,
they agree with you<BR><FONT
color=#888888><BR>DC</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV><BR>On Feb 22, 2011, at 17:58, Joe Campbell
<<A
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rel=nofollow
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<DIV>Great advice! Maybe they should just shut up
and stick to the news!<BR><BR>
<DIV>On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 10:00 AM, Ron Force
<SPAN dir=ltr><<A
href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=rforce2003@yahoo.com"
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<H3>February 22, 2011</H3>
<H1>Our View: Memo to ISU faculty: Just shut up
and teach</H1>
<H2>- Idaho Statesman</H2>Seventy-six percent of
Idaho State University’s faculty senators have a
problem with Arthur Vailas. Earlier this month,
they cast a no-confidence vote and urged their
embattled president to step down.
<DIV>And 100 percent of State Board of Education
members have a problem with the ISU faculty
Senate. On Thursday, the board voted unanimously
to disband the Senate — at Vailas’ urging.</DIV>
<DIV>Well, that’s one way to try to make a
crisis disappear. Who needs allies on campus
when you have a compliant State Board in your
pocket?</DIV>
<DIV>The message, for faculty and staff at ISU
and other campuses, could hardly be more clear.
If you have a complaint or a criticism, the
State Board doesn’t want to hear from you or
help solve problems.</DIV>
<DIV>Of course, that’s not how the board spins
it. “The impasse between the leadership of the
senate group and the administration has reached
a point where the prospect of any kind of
progress was simply non-existent,” board
President Richard Westerberg said. “It’s time to
start over.”</DIV>
<DIV>Starting over? Sure. But only after the
board made sure to give Vailas all the leverage,
and marginalize his faculty critics.</DIV>
<DIV>Oh, there will still be a place for the
faculty to have a say. Just on Vailas’ terms.
The board ordered Vailas to set up an interim
advisory structure and come back in April and
propose what the board calls a “reconstituted
faculty Senate and a new faculty governance
model.”</DIV>
<DIV>How’s that for even-handed?</DIV>
<DIV>It’s remarkable that the State Board chose
to choose sides, especially at this advanced
stage of unrest. </DIV>
<DIV>Vailas has been on the job since 2006,
providing ample time for tensions to degenerate
into grudges. The problems aren’t likely to just
go away. It’s naive for the State Board to act
as if that’s even a possibility.</DIV>
<DIV>Faculty members have aired some serious
issues that warrant more active attention from
the State Board — including complaints of
closed-door budget decisions and high staff
turnover.</DIV>
<DIV>These concerns should resonate under any
circumstances — and especially during a funding
crisis that requires university leaders to make
tough budget decisions, explain policy publicly
and clearly and get and keep buy-in from key
faculty and staff.</DIV>
<DIV>“Sometimes we have to stand up and make our
voices heard,” said ISU Faculty Senate chairman
Phil Cole, according to the Associated Press.
“The internal strife at ISU is killing
ISU.”</DIV>
<DIV>Turns out Cole was worried over nothing.
The State Board of Education has a foolproof
plan for handling “internal strife.” Just tell
all the naysayers to shut up.</DIV>“Our View” is
the editorial position of the Idaho Statesman.
It is an unsigned opinion expressing the
consensus of the Statesman’s editorial board. To
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