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<DIV><FONT size=4>That’s what I was telling you. Your phrase “government
employees” covers them all. I’m not really in a position to
determine whether many administrators and professors in our region are paid
twice what they are worth but I will say the ones I know and work with are
dedicated, hard working folks. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>Sue </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A
title=donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com
href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">Donovan Arnold</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, February 24, 2011 12:24 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=areaman@moscow.com href="mailto:areaman@moscow.com">Dan
Carscallen</A> ; <A title=philosopher.joe@gmail.com
href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com">Joe Campbell</A> ; <A
title=suehovey@moscow.com href="mailto:suehovey@moscow.com">Sue Hovey</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">Moscow Vision 2020</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Statesman weighs in on
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<DIV>Sue,</DIV>
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<DIV>To the contrary, Sue, I am amazed at what some government employees
are able to do with so few resources here in Idaho. Most people that work
in the government are underpaid. But this is not the case for many
administrators and professors in our region who are paid often twice what
they are worth.</DIV>
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<DIV>Elementary teachers, in general, and especially in Idaho, are the
most underpaid people for what they do, the crap they put up with, and the
amount of education they have acquired, and the value of their work. Two
of my best friends are teachers. </DIV>
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<DIV>You don't have to preach to me how underpaid people are working with
people with disabilities, I grew in a family that did just that. My job
almost every morning is to take care of six people with
disabilities.</DIV>
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<DIV>I hope everything is going well in Hawaii, especially with that US
Rep of yours : P. </DIV>
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<DIV>Donovan Arnold<BR><BR>--- On <B>Thu, 2/24/11, Sue Hovey
<I><suehovey@moscow.com></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
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Sue <SPAN><SPAN>Hovey</SPAN></SPAN>
<suehovey@moscow.com><BR>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Statesman
weighs in on <SPAN>ISU</SPAN><BR>To: "Donovan Arnold"
<donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com>, "Dan Carscallen"
<areaman@moscow.com>, "Joe Campbell"
<philosopher.joe@gmail.com><BR>Cc: "Moscow Vision 2020"
<vision2020@moscow.com><BR>Date: Thursday, February 24, 2011, 2:08
PM<BR><BR>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>Donovan, </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>And, of course, this flip statement reflects your
assumption that by nature government employees aren’t productive and
should in every instance be able to do more. I tell you, Donovan,
the people who work with my disabled daughter are underpaid, overworked,
and are being forced into situations for which they are
unprepared. And even so, in a few months almost 1/3rd or more may
well be jobless. It’s nice to have you back online again, but in
this case you really do know better. You’ve been
there. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>Even in the private sector getting along to hold a job
may well mean compromising ones ethics, harming other folks, not
standing up in the face of grave error. That’s what those ISU
folks were trying to oppose. Even if you disagree with their intent your
casting them as lazy and unproductive ignores the issue.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>Sue H. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><B>From:</B> <A title=donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com
href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com"
rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">Donovan Arnold</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, February 23, 2011 4:2</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=areaman@moscow.com
href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=areaman@moscow.com"
rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:areaman@moscow.com">Dan
Carscallen</A> ; <A title=philosopher.joe@gmail.com
href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=philosopher.joe@gmail.com"
rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com">Joe Campbell</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=vision2020@moscow.com"
rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">Moscow
Vision 2020</A> </DIV>
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<DIV>The SBOE should just fire everyone if it wishes to start
fresh. Kind of hard to do that if they keep the same President
which is half the problem. Maybe if government employees knew,
like the rest of us in the private sector, that if they cannot get
along and be productive they will be out of a job, they would try
harder to get things done.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Donovan Arnold<BR><BR>--- On <B>Tue, 2/22/11, Joe Campbell
<I><philosopher.joe@gmail.com></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
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Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe@gmail.com><BR>Subject: Re:
[Vision2020] Statesman weighs in on ISU<BR>To: "Dan Carscallen"
<areaman@moscow.com><BR>Cc: "Moscow Vision 2020"
<vision2020@moscow.com><BR>Date: Tuesday, February 22,
2011, 9:59 PM<BR><BR>
<DIV id=yiv1965286935>Oops! I feel a bit like Roseanne
<SPAN>Roseannadana</SPAN>. Nevermind!<SPAN
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<DIV class=yiv1965286935gmail_quote>On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 6:24
PM, Dan Carscallen <SPAN dir=ltr><<A
href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=areaman@moscow.com"
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<DIV>Joe, </DIV>
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<DIV>Did you read the editorial? From what I gather, they
agree with you<BR><FONT color=#888888><BR>DC</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><BR>On Feb 22, 2011, at 17:58, Joe Campbell <<A
href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=philosopher.joe@gmail.com"
rel=nofollow target=_blank>philosopher.joe@gmail.com</A>>
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<DIV>Great advice! Maybe they should just shut up and stick
to the news!<BR><BR>
<DIV class=yiv1965286935gmail_quote>On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at
10:00 AM, Ron Force <SPAN dir=ltr><<A
href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=rforce2003@yahoo.com"
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<H3>February 22, 2011</H3>
<H1>Our View: Memo to ISU faculty: Just shut up and
teach</H1>
<H2>- Idaho Statesman</H2>Seventy-six percent of Idaho
State University’s faculty senators have a problem with
Arthur Vailas. Earlier this month, they cast a
no-confidence vote and urged their embattled president to
step down.
<DIV>And 100 percent of State Board of Education members
have a problem with the ISU faculty Senate. On Thursday,
the board voted unanimously to disband the Senate — at
Vailas’ urging.</DIV>
<DIV>Well, that’s one way to try to make a crisis
disappear. Who needs allies on campus when you have a
compliant State Board in your pocket?</DIV>
<DIV>The message, for faculty and staff at ISU and other
campuses, could hardly be more clear. If you have a
complaint or a criticism, the State Board doesn’t want to
hear from you or help solve problems.</DIV>
<DIV>Of course, that’s not how the board spins it. “The
impasse between the leadership of the senate group and the
administration has reached a point where the prospect of
any kind of progress was simply non-existent,” board
President Richard Westerberg said. “It’s time to start
over.”</DIV>
<DIV>Starting over? Sure. But only after the board made
sure to give Vailas all the leverage, and marginalize his
faculty critics.</DIV>
<DIV>Oh, there will still be a place for the faculty to
have a say. Just on Vailas’ terms. The board ordered
Vailas to set up an interim advisory structure and come
back in April and propose what the board calls a
“reconstituted faculty Senate and a new faculty governance
model.”</DIV>
<DIV>How’s that for even-handed?</DIV>
<DIV>It’s remarkable that the State Board chose to choose
sides, especially at this advanced stage of unrest. </DIV>
<DIV>Vailas has been on the job since 2006, providing
ample time for tensions to degenerate into grudges. The
problems aren’t likely to just go away. It’s naive for the
State Board to act as if that’s even a possibility.</DIV>
<DIV>Faculty members have aired some serious issues that
warrant more active attention from the State Board —
including complaints of closed-door budget decisions and
high staff turnover.</DIV>
<DIV>These concerns should resonate under any
circumstances — and especially during a funding crisis
that requires university leaders to make tough budget
decisions, explain policy publicly and clearly and get and
keep buy-in from key faculty and staff.</DIV>
<DIV>“Sometimes we have to stand up and make our voices
heard,” said ISU Faculty Senate chairman Phil Cole,
according to the Associated Press. “The internal strife at
ISU is killing ISU.”</DIV>
<DIV>Turns out Cole was worried over nothing. The State
Board of Education has a foolproof plan for handling
“internal strife.” Just tell all the naysayers to shut
up.</DIV>“Our View” is the editorial position of the Idaho
Statesman. It is an unsigned opinion expressing the
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