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<DIV><FONT size=2>Regardless of what one thinks of effectiveness or
noneffectiveness mandatory health coverage with a required purchase of insurance
and/or the present Obamacare, that's not the issue I raised, and I haven't the
time or the patience to write about such except maybe sometime very
generally.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>The legal issue which will eventual rise to the level of the
U.S. Supreme Court is whether mandatory purchase of insurance is
constitutional. On one hand there is the state's rights position
which says that if the constitution doesn't specifically address a subject, then
that issue is to be left to the states. On the other side are those that
espouse a broader interpretation of the constitution based on, among other
things, the "promote the general welfare" clause.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>w.</FONT></DIV>
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style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com
href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">Donovan Arnold</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">Vision 2020</A> ; <A title=deco@moscow.com
href="mailto:deco@moscow.com">Art Deco</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, February 16, 2011 10:44
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] House Bill 117
- State Sovereignty - FederalHealth Care . . .</DIV>
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<DIV>"The state government can compel you to buy automobile
liability insurance if you chose to own and to operate a motor
vehicle. "--Art Deco </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>This is a completely different situation on several
levels;</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>First, there is a difference between a state requiring you to
demonstrate while operating a heavy piece of equipment you have the
means to pay for any damage to property, versus that of the federal
government requiring you with buy a particular product.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I can escape the insurance requirement in Idaho by either moving
out of state, choosing not to drive, or I can save up enough money to
demonstrate I can pay for damages i may incur while operating a
piece of heavy equipment on public highways and roadways. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Federal Mandated Health Insurance I cannot do the same
thing. I cannot move out of state. I cannot disown or park my
body (I am stuck with). And I can never demonstrate that I have
enough money to pay for reasonable health problems, and that could be in
the millions very easily. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>And of course there is the Constitutional issue that it
reserves all rights not listed in it to the states. I don't see anything
in the constitution giving the Federal Government the authority to
require people to buy a particular product. Although I think the
government can get around this issue in the same way as it did in
80s by changing the drinking age to 21, forcing the states to comply by
withholding federal dollars.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I personally think it is a bad idea to have the federal government
be able to make you buy something. Especially when its goal of providing
health care to everyone will not succeed this way. The only way to get
everyone to have access to health care is to tax people and provide it,
just like every other service the government provides. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Donovan Arnold <BR><BR>--- On <B>Wed, 2/16/11, Art Deco
<I><deco@moscow.com></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
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Art Deco <deco@moscow.com><BR>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] House
Bill 117 - State Sovereignty - FederalHealth Care . . .<BR>To: "Vision
2020" <vision2020@moscow.com><BR>Date: Wednesday, February 16,
2011, 3:36 PM<BR><BR>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>The state government can compel you to buy
automobile liability insurance if you chose to own and to operate a
motor vehicle. The courts have ruled that this is a legitimate
power of the government. It will be interesting to see how this
issue as it relates to health insurance is argued in the
courts.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>w.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4"><B>From:</B> <A
title=donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com
href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com"
rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">Donovan Arnold</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=vision2020@moscow.com"
rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">Moscow Vision 2020</A> ; <A
title=thansen@moscow.com
href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=thansen@moscow.com"
rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">Tom
Hansen</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, February 16,
2011 3:07 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] House
Bill 117 - State Sovereignty - <SPAN>FederalHealth</SPAN> Care . .
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<DIV>I have to agree that the government does not have
the authority to compel you to participate in buying
health Insurance or any product or service from a private
company. Especially when it is such a rip-off and
there is no regulation on what these insurance companies can
collectively decide they want you to pay once you are required
by to purchase it from them. They could charge $500-$1500
a month and you would have to pay it. If they wanted to tax
you and provide access to health care that would
be within their legal authority because that is what
the government does.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> However, I don't agree with the wording of the
bill that employers should be allowed to get away with
not offering any health insurance without raising their
minimum paid wages. You cannot afford health insurance on
$7.25 an hour. Hell, you cannot even afford
quality health insurance at $12.50 an hour working 50 hours a
week when the government is skimming 40 cents on every dollar
you sweat blood and tears to make. Employers should have some
basic responsibility for the welfare of their employers
especially when many employers put their employees at risk for
lots of health problems. Working conditions need to be beyond
third world standards here in Idaho. Idahoan
workers deserve at least this much. Too bad the Governor
of Idaho and the majority of the current legislature
doesn't agree. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Donovan Arnold<BR><BR>--- On <B>Wed, 2/16/11, Tom Hansen
<I><thansen@moscow.com></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
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Tom Hansen <thansen@moscow.com><BR>Subject:
[Vision2020] House Bill 117 - State Sovereignty - Federal
Health Care . . .<BR>To: "Moscow Vision 2020"
<vision2020@moscow.com><BR>Date: Wednesday, February
16, 2011, 11:43 AM<BR><BR>
<DIV class=yiv7680403plainMail>Has passed the Idaho House by
a vote of 49-20.<BR><BR><A
href="http://moscowcares.com/idaho/2011/HB0117_020911.htm"
rel=nofollow
target=_blank>http://moscowcares.com/idaho/2011/HB0117_020911.htm</A><BR><BR>Tom
Hansen<BR>Moscow, Idaho<BR><BR><BR><BR>"The Pessimist
complains about the wind, the Optimist expects it to
change<BR>and the Realist adjusts his sails."<BR><BR>-
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