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See, there's no need to look at the content or message! Look at the messenger, make a couple of comments...<br><br>Next?<br><br>Sunil<br><br><hr id="stopSpelling">From: lockshop@pull.twcbc.com<br>To: v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm; vision2020@moscow.com<br>Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 07:18:28 -0800<br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] News From the Left<br><br>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">An anonymous double secret source quoted by Media
Matters, a group that exists solely to promote liberal viewpoints and trash FOX
news at every opportunity. How could <font size="3"><font color="#1f497d"><strong>objective</strong> observers </font><font color="#000000" size="2">take that as anything other then unvarnished
truth?</font></font></font></div>
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<div style="font: 10pt arial;">----- Original Message ----- </div>
<div style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% rgb(228, 228, 228); font: 10pt arial;"><b>From:</b>
<a title="v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm" href="mailto:v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm">Saundra
Lund</a> </div>
<div style="font: 10pt arial;"><b>To:</b> <a title="vision2020@moscow.com" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">'Moscow Vision 2020'</a> </div>
<div style="font: 10pt arial;"><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 10, 2011 9:39
PM</div>
<div style="font: 10pt arial;"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] News >From the
Left</div>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif';">In part, Gary
Crabtree wrote:</span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif';">“</span><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif';">As
for me, I accept the media for what it is and by that I mean by and
large liberal. My only complaint, if I had any, would be when folks try to
make out as though FOX were a direct extension of the Republican party and all
the other news organizations were the embodiment of even handed,
unbiased reportage.”</span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif';"> </span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif';">Even though Gary
Crabtree obviously doesn’t like to be confused with facts, other Visionaries
might find the following interesting:</span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif';"><a href="http://mediamatters.org/blog/201102100007" target="_blank">http://mediamatters.org/blog/201102100007</a></span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% white; margin-left: 0.5in; line-height: 150%;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(70, 70, 70); line-height: 150%; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif';">Asked
what most viewers and observers of Fox News would be surprised to learn about
the controversial cable channel, a former insider from the world of Rupert
Murdoch was quick with a response: “I don’t think people would believe it’s as
concocted as it is; that stuff is just made up.”</span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% white; margin-bottom: 15.6pt; margin-left: 0.5in; line-height: 150%;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(70, 70, 70); line-height: 150%; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif';">Indeed,
a former Fox News employee who recently agreed to talk with <i>Media
Matters</i> confirmed what critics have been saying for years about Murdoch’s
cable channel. Namely, that Fox News is run as a <a href="http://mediamatters.org/columns/200910130008" target="_blank"><b><span style="color: rgb(38, 86, 153); text-decoration: none;">purely partisan
operation</span></b></a>, virtually every news story is actively spun by the
staff, its primary goal is to prop up Republicans and knock down Democrats,
and that staffers at Fox News <a href="http://mediamatters.org/research/201012210005" target="_blank"><b><span style="color: rgb(38, 86, 153); text-decoration: none;">routinely operate</span></b></a>
without the <a href="http://mediamatters.org/research/200910190025" target="_blank"><b><span style="color: rgb(38, 86, 153); text-decoration: none;">slightest regard</span></b></a>
for <a href="http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201012230002" target="_blank"><b><span style="color: rgb(38, 86, 153); text-decoration: none;">fairness</span></b></a> or <a href="http://mediamatters.org/blog/201012230007" target="_blank"><b><span style="color: rgb(38, 86, 153); text-decoration: none;">fact checking</span></b></a>.
</span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% white; margin-bottom: 15.6pt; margin-left: 0.5in; line-height: 150%;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(70, 70, 70); line-height: 150%; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif';">“It
is their M.O. to undermine the administration and to undermine Democrats,”
says the source. “They’re a propaganda outfit but they call themselves
news.”</span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% white; margin-bottom: 15.6pt; margin-left: 0.5in; line-height: 150%;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(70, 70, 70); line-height: 150%; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif';">And
that’s the word from <i>inside </i>Fox News.</span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% white; margin-left: 0.5in; line-height: 150%;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(70, 70, 70); line-height: 150%; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif';">Note
the story here isn’t that Fox News leans right. Everyone knows the channel
pushes a conservative-friendly version of the news. Everyone who’s been paying
attention has known that since the channel’s inception more than a decade ago.
The real story, and the real danger posed by the cable outlet, is that over
time Fox News stopped simply leaning to the right and instead became <a href="http://mediamatters.org/blog/201009160022" target="_blank"><b><span style="color: rgb(38, 86, 153); text-decoration: none;">an open</span></b></a> and
active <a href="http://mediamatters.org/blog/200908170001" target="_blank"><b><span style="color: rgb(38, 86, 153); text-decoration: none;">political player</span></b></a>,
sort of one-part character assassin and one-part <a href="http://mediamatters.org/research/201011020054" target="_blank"><b><span style="color: rgb(38, 86, 153); text-decoration: none;">propagandist</span></b></a>,
depending on which party was in power. And that the operation thrives on
fabrications and falsehoods. <snip></span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif';"> </span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif';">(That’s only part
of the article – I highly recommend reading the entire
thing.)</span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif';"> </span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif';">Of course, that’s
nothing surprising to <b>objective</b> observers, is it?</span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif';"> </span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif';"> </span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif';">Saundra
Lund</span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif';">Moscow,
ID</span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif';"> </span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif';">The
only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do
nothing.</span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif';">~
Edmund Burke</span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif';"> </span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif';">*****
Original material contained herein is Copyright 2010 through life plus 70
years, Saundra Lund. Do not copy, forward, excerpt, or reproduce outside
the Vision 2020 forum without the express written permission of the
author.*****</span></b></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif';"> </span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif';"> </span></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';">
vision2020-bounces@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Gary Crabtree<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 10, 2011 6:02
PM<br><b>To:</b> Reggie Holmquist; the lockshop<br><b>Cc:</b> Moscow Vision
2020<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] News From the
Left</span></p></div></div>
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<div>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif';">You
should be asking Ms. Lund. She suggested that Current was a solution to some
complaint heard only in the cob web wrapped confines of her
imagination.</span></p></div>
<div>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"> </p></div>
<div>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif';">As
for me, I accept the media for what it is and by that I mean by and
large liberal. My only complaint, if I had any, would be when folks try to
make out as though FOX were a direct extension of the Republican party and all
the other news organizations were the embodiment of even handed,
unbiased reportage. </span></p></div>
<div>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"> </p></div>
<div>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif';">As
far as a solution for MSNBC and Mr. Olbermann is concerned, it has been found
and implemented to my immense satisfaction with no involvement or input on my
part required.</span></p></div>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"> </p></div>
<div>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif';">g</span></p></div></div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';"> </span></p></div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% whitesmoke;"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';"> <a title="mailto:reggieholmquist@u.boisestate.edu
CTRL + Click to follow link" href="mailto:reggieholmquist@u.boisestate.edu">Reggie Holmquist</a>
</span></p></div>
<div>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% whitesmoke;"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';">Sent:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';"> Thursday,
February 10, 2011 2:17 PM</span></p></div>
<div>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% whitesmoke;"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';">To:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';"> <a title="lockshop@pull.twcbc.com" href="mailto:lockshop@pull.twcbc.com">the
lockshop</a> </span></p></div>
<div>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% whitesmoke;"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';">Cc:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';"> <a title="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com
CTRL + Click to follow link" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">Moscow Vision 2020</a>
</span></p></div>
<div>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% whitesmoke;"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';">Subject:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';"> Re: [Vision2020]
News From the Left</span></p></div></div></div>
<div>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"> </p></div>
<div>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal">What do you mean by "the solution to a 'lame stream' media
that has a decided leftward bias"?<br><br>What do you mean by
"solution"? I'm seriously confused. Is everything but Fox News
left-wing and we need some sort of "solution" for that? Or are you just
saying that we need some sort of "solution" for MSNBC and/or Keith
Olbermann? Please elaborate
clearly.<br><br>-Reggie<br><br> </p></div>
<div>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal">On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 2:12 PM, the lockshop <<a href="mailto:lockshop@pull.twcbc.com">lockshop@pull.twcbc.com</a>>
wrote:</p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal">The "irony" is that you imagine that the solution to a
"lame stream" media<br>that has a decided leftward bias is yet another media
outlet with a lefty<br>slant. Providing a refuge for Olbermann as the
company's chief news officer<br>is not too likely to make Current into
anything other than an updated<br>version of MSNBC/CNN with even less
journalistic objectivity or integrity.<br><br>That said, as long as the
enterprise is privately funded they are fine by me<br>and I am fairly sure
that you would have a remarkably difficult time<br>pointing to anything I
might have said in the previous postings that would<br>indicate anything other
than the plain and simple fact that their viewership<br>numbers are
low.<br><br>When it comes to minds both narrow and simple, I would have to
think that<br>they would best be typified by those who work themselves into a
frenzied<br>snit over things they only imagine having been
said.<br><br>g</p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><br><br>----- Original Message -----<br>From: "Saundra
Lund" <<a href="mailto:v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm">v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm</a>></p></div>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;">To: "'Moscow Vision 2020'"
<<a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a>><br>Sent:
Thursday, February 10, 2011 11:35 AM<br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] News From
the Left<br><br><br>> Just as I thought -- both again posted their verbal
vomit without even<br>> making an attempt to educate themselves. All
they had to see was<br>> Olbermann & Gore, and their simple-minded
narrow-mindedness again<br>> triumphed.<br>><br>> The irony, of
course, is that both should be supporting networks like<br>> Current TV
since both love to trash "lamestream" media. Smaller networks<br>>
& community stations are a solution to their complaints, yet they
still<br>> can't do anything more than trash talk. What a
shock!<br>><br>> Not :-)<br>><br>><br>><br>>
-----Original Message-----<br>> From: lfalen [mailto:<a href="mailto:lfalen@turbonet.com">lfalen@turbonet.com</a>]<br>> Sent:
Thursday, February 10, 2011 10:53 AM<br>> To: Saundra Lund; 'Moscow Vision
2020'<br>> Subject: RE: [Vision2020] News From the Left<br>><br>> I
do not know anything about Current TV as I do not watch TV and have no<br>>
opinion on theit content. My comment was in regard to what I have
heard<br>> is their low viewing audience.<br>> Roger<br>>
-----Original message-----<br>> From: "Saundra Lund" <a href="mailto:v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm">v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm</a><br>> Date:
Wed, 09 Feb 2011 13:00:42 -0800<br>> To: "'lfalen'" <a href="mailto:lfalen@turbonet.com">lfalen@turbonet.com</a>, "'Moscow Vision
2020'"<br>> <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>> Subject:
RE: [Vision2020] News From the Left<br>><br>>> Thanks for once again
reminding us, Gary & Roger, of your<br>>> narrow-mindedness.
Not much chance any of us would forget it, but it's<br>>> nice
that you both take every opportunity to make *sure* we don’t
forget<br>>> it while also never missing an opportunity to unceasingly
whine when you<br>>> think the Unthinking Right is getting picked
upon.<br>>><br>>> I'm also grateful that you two continue to show
your ignorance. Current<br>>> TV actually has some great
programming enjoyed by many Americans, but you<br>>> two ideologues are
too ignorant to even attempt to educate yourselves<br>>> before spouting
off your ugliness. Good job -- I'm sure your families<br>>> are SO
PROUD of you!!!<br>>><br>>> Roger & Gary, why don't you both
tell us what you find wrong with Current<br>>> TV? Do it quickly,
though, or it will be obvious that you both ran off<br>>> at the mouth
-- again -- without having the slightest idea of what you<br>>> were
attempting to talk about.<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>>
Saundra Lund<br>>> Moscow, ID<br>>><br>>> The only thing
necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do<br>>>
nothing.<br>>> ~ Edmund Burke<br>>><br>>> ***** Original
material contained herein is Copyright 2010 through life<br>>> plus 70
years, Saundra Lund. Do not copy, forward, excerpt, or
reproduce<br>>> outside the Vision 2020 forum without the express
written permission of<br>>> the
author.*****<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>> -----Original
Message-----<br>>> From: <a href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com">vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</a><br>>>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com">vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</a>]
On Behalf Of lfalen<br>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2011 11:25
AM<br>>> To: Tom Hansen; Moscow Vision 2020<br>>> Subject: Re:
[Vision2020] News From the Left<br>>><br>>> Good place for him. He
can babble on and few will hear or pay any<br>>> attention to
him.<br>>> Roger<br>>><br>>><br>><br>>
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