Sorry to hear about your troubles, Kai! <br><br>But there is no way that an across the board cut is the way to go. It is a bad idea. If someone can show me examples of businesses where this kind of approach happens with the regularity it is used to "solve" problems in education I might change my mind. But it is my impression that in most cases in the cold, hard, real world when they need to save 5%, people get fired. The fact is folks no longer value education. The public seems unwilling to pay for higher education to the extent that they once did. The 5% cut suggests that the answer to this is that we (those of us in higher education) do what we've been doing and take a pay cut. The assumption is that even though the folks at UI have not received a raise in over 5 years and have accepted a furlough, that they should now accept a 5% pay cut and everything will continue as it once did, doing more with less. Again, I have a hard time thinking of examples outside of education where this kind of thing happens. It strikes me as a kind of dream world.<br>
<br>Fire people, make class sizes larger than they already are, and make professors less available and accessible to the students than they were when you and I were in school. Make it hurt. See what you get. Show the public the kind of education system that they are willing to pay for. If they want something more -- more teachers, more employees, more jobs -- they should pay for it.<br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 10:20 PM, Kai Eiselein <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:fotopro63@hotmail.com">fotopro63@hotmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
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Chris, let me get this straight.<br>
You took a demotion to stay employed.<br>
You are facing a 5% pay cut.<br>
You still have a job.<br>
Try this:<br>
Work for years to purchase a business in an industry you love.<br>
You finally purchase the business of your dreams.<br>
The economy tanks two months after you purchase said business.<br>
Eleven months later you close the doors after watching your dreams turn to dust in front of your eyes.<br>
You walk away unemployed, $100K in debt with nothing to show for it and begin trying to figure out how to get yourself out of this hole.<br>
<br>
And you are worried about 5 effin percent.<br>
Three words: Kiss my a$$<br> <br>
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> 4. Re: Bellevue, WA: 52.3 F; Moscow, ID: 28.8 F (Ron Force)<br>> 5. Re: Bellevue, WA: 52.3 F; Moscow, ID: 28.8 F (Carl Westberg)<br>> 6. Senate Democrats Block GOP Bid to Repeal Health Care Law<br>> (Tom Hansen)<br>
> <br>> <br>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------<br>> <br>> Message: 1<br>> Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2011 12:01:53 -0800<br>> From: lfalen <<a href="mailto:lfalen@turbonet.com" target="_blank">lfalen@turbonet.com</a>><br>
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] A proposal to balance the budget<br>> To: <a href="mailto:bear@moscow.com" target="_blank">bear@moscow.com</a><br>> Cc: <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>
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> <br>> My wife also took a furlough last year and offered to take one again this year. She does not have any option. If her boss does not have a grant, she is cut.<br>> Roger<br>> <br>> ----Original message-----<br>
> From: <a href="mailto:bear@moscow.com" target="_blank">bear@moscow.com</a><br>> Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2011 18:50:22 -0800<br>> To: "lfalen" <a href="mailto:lfalen@turbonet.com" target="_blank">lfalen@turbonet.com</a><br>
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] A proposal to balance the budget<br>> <br>> > <br>> > Roger,<br>> > <br>> > As someone who has had to face the cuts imposed by CALS, I find your<br>> > suggestions a but short sighted. I did not have science or research in my<br>
> > title and have over 8 years of seniority but I still was laid off by the<br>> > College and to retain employment and benefits was forced to take a<br>> > demotion. I was also one of the few people in CALS that had to take<br>
> > furlough days last year. Yet you suggest I should be willing and even<br>> > happy to accept a 5% cut! While I feel for the people who now have to be<br>> > paid via grant funding via the PI, the fact remains that is an option for<br>
> > them. Why shouldn't the extension offices as state and federal employees<br>> > take the same cuts that have been imposed by the Gov. as the on campus<br>> > departments and offices have had to absorb?<br>
> > <br>> > All I am saying is that the problem is more complex than everyone take a<br>> > 5% cut across the board.<br>> > <br>> > Chris Price<br>> > <br>> > <br>> > <br>> > > Here are some proposals to balance Federal, State and University Budgets<br>
> > > .<br>> > > First I would take care of the mentally ill, the disabled and our<br>> > > veterans.<br>> > > All government employees (state and Federal) should take a 5% pay cut. The<br>
> > > private sector has taken cuts(except for Wall Street and a few others).<br>> > > This should start with all Federal legislators. State legislators are not<br>> > > paid that much in Idaho.<br>
> > > The University could easily balance their budget by doing so. Instead they<br>> > > are making cuts at the low end. Cals is making the cuts on those staff<br>> > > that have science or research in their title. This is a highly arbitrary<br>
> > > way to do it and is not based on merit or seniority. The PI that they<br>> > > work for will have to come up with half their salary from other sources<br>> > > such as grants. My wife has been cut to 87.5%. She is now paid for 7 hours<br>
> > > but still puts in about 12 hours a day. In june she will probably be cut<br>> > > to half time. This means that her benefits will no longer be picked up by<br>> > > the University. One can not afford to work for that, She has worked for<br>
> > > the UI for over 40 years. She has 3 more years to go before reaching SS<br>> > > retirement age.<br>> > > An across the board 5% cut would not hurt anyone that much and it would<br>> > > easier to save the desired dollars than cutting some staff by 80 or 50%<br>
> > > The UI has opened up 4 offices in China to recruit students. Why? The UI<br>> > > is a land grant college. They should take care of their base first.<br>> > > Recruit in China when times are better.<br>
> > > Other ways to save money. Review all government agencies for ways they<br>> > > can be reduced. All agencies should come with a sunset. If after a set<br>> > > period of time they would need to be re-evaluated and authorised. If the<br>
> > > wern't they would go out of existence. All lawmakers should be on the same<br>> > > benefits that they legislate for the rest of us.<br>> > > All cuts in pay or personnel should start at the top. The UI like most<br>
> > > other government agencies have greatly expanded at the administrative<br>> > > level. That is where the cuts should start. Diversity is important, but<br>> > > the UI does nt need in excess of 20 people to handle it. There should be<br>
> > > on director and an assistant. They can then work with someone in the<br>> > > individual departments or colleges.<br>> > > If Administrators were trimmed back at the Federal, State and University<br>
> > > level more programs and jobs could be save on balance.<br>> > > Help the handicapped fine jobs. When I was with Carnation and Manna Pro<br>> > > our Small World line of Wild bird seeds were packaged by handicapped<br>
> > > people.<br>> > > These are only a few things that can be done to balance the budget and at<br>> > > the same time save valuable programs such as aid for the mentally ill.<br>> > > Roger<br>
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> > ><br>> > <br>> > <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> ------------------------------<br>> <br>> Message: 2<br>> Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2011 12:37:09 -0800<br>> From: lfalen <<a href="mailto:lfalen@turbonet.com" target="_blank">lfalen@turbonet.com</a>><br>
> Subject: [Vision2020] picture non-political<br>> To: <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>> Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:f8e72a889022aa6284529e8b24b40737@turbonet.com" target="_blank">f8e72a889022aa6284529e8b24b40737@turbonet.com</a>><br>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br>> <br>> Maynard Fosberg's horse,( Tucker) made the front page of today's Daily News.<br>> <br>> Roger<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> ------------------------------<br>
> <br>> Message: 3<br>> Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2011 14:18:13 -0800<br>> From: Kenneth Marcy <<a href="mailto:kmmos1@frontier.com" target="_blank">kmmos1@frontier.com</a>><br>> Subject: [Vision2020] Bellevue, WA: 52.3 F; Moscow, ID: 28.8 F<br>
> To: <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>> Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:201102021418.14015.kmmos1@frontier.com" target="_blank">201102021418.14015.kmmos1@frontier.com</a>><br>
> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="us-ascii"<br>> <br>> Temperature (Fahrenheit):<br>> Bellevue, WA: 52.3; Moscow, ID: 28.8<br>> Updated: 1:21 PM PST on February 02, 2011<br>> <br>> Elevation above mean sea level (feet):<br>
> Bellevue, WA: 300; Moscow, ID: 2650<br>> <br>> Atmospheric blanket assists temperature stability.<br>> <br>> <br>> Ken<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> ------------------------------<br>> <br>> Message: 4<br>
> Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2011 15:17:58 -0800 (PST)<br>> From: Ron Force <<a href="mailto:rforce2003@yahoo.com" target="_blank">rforce2003@yahoo.com</a>><br>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Bellevue, WA: 52.3 F; Moscow, ID: 28.8 F<br>
> To: Kenneth Marcy <<a href="mailto:kmmos1@frontier.com" target="_blank">kmmos1@frontier.com</a>>, <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>> Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:776999.87710.qm@web46114.mail.sp1.yahoo.com" target="_blank">776999.87710.qm@web46114.mail.sp1.yahoo.com</a>><br>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"<br>> <br>> So does a large body of water...<br>> <br>> Ron Force<br>> Moscow Idaho USA<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> ________________________________<br>
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> <br>> ------------------------------<br>> <br>> Message: 5<br>> Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2011 15:54:24 -0800<br>> From: Carl Westberg <<a href="mailto:idahovandal1@live.com" target="_blank">idahovandal1@live.com</a>><br>
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Bellevue, WA: 52.3 F; Moscow, ID: 28.8 F<br>> To: <<a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020@moscow.com</a>><br>> Message-ID: <SNT105-W303447164AAFC4DE134796E9E40@phx.gbl><br>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<br>> <br>> <br>> So Paradise Creek doesn't count? I mean there are times you can almost see water in it.<br>> <br>> Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2011 15:17:58 -0800<br>
> From: <a href="mailto:rforce2003@yahoo.com" target="_blank">rforce2003@yahoo.com</a><br>> To: <a href="mailto:kmmos1@frontier.com" target="_blank">kmmos1@frontier.com</a>; <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Bellevue, WA: 52.3 F; Moscow, ID: 28.8 F<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> So does a large body of water...<br>> Ron Force<br>> Moscow Idaho USA<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> Atmospheric blanket assists temperature stability.<br>
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> <br>> ------------------------------<br>> <br>> Message: 6<br>> Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2011 15:54:33 -0800 (PST)<br>> From: "Tom Hansen" <<a href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com" target="_blank">thansen@moscow.com</a>><br>
> Subject: [Vision2020] Senate Democrats Block GOP Bid to Repeal Health<br>> Care Law<br>> To: "Moscow Vision 2020" <<a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020@moscow.com</a>><br>
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> <br>> Courtesy of CNN at:<br>> <br>> <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/02/02/senate.health.care/index.html" target="_blank">http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/02/02/senate.health.care/index.html</a><br>
> <br>> ---------------------------------------------------------<br>> <br>> Senate Democrats block GOP bid to repeal health care law<br>> Washington (CNN) -- Senate Democrats on Wednesday blocked a Republican<br>
> effort to repeal the health care reform bill passed last year.<br>> <br>> The 51-47 vote, along party lines, meant the procedural motion failed to<br>> get the necessary 60 votes to pass.<br>> <br>> The Republican-controlled House of Representatives has passed a bill to<br>
> repeal the health care overhaul. However, Democrats used their majority in<br>> the Senate to block a similar measure proposed by the Republican minority<br>> as an amendment to another bill.<br>> <br>> Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nevada, said Tuesday he wanted to get<br>
> the repeal effort "out of the system" so the Senate could move ahead with<br>> other business, while his Republican counterpart said his party was<br>> fulfilling an obligation to voters from last year's congressional<br>
> elections.<br>> <br>> "It would be a dereliction of duty if Republicans didn't fight for<br>> repeal," said Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Kentucky. "We made<br>> a promise to our constituents that we would vote to repeal this bill on<br>
> their behalf. And that's just what we intend to do."<br>> <br>> Wednesday's vote amounted to a push by Republicans to get Democratic<br>> opposition to a full repeal on the record in the form of votes against the<br>
> amendment. Led by President Barack Obama, Democrats concede the health<br>> care overhaul can be improved, but they oppose rolling back benefits for<br>> consumers against health insurance industry practices such as denying<br>
> coverage due to pre-existing conditions.<br>> <br>> "We're not going to go back and fight the battles of the last two years,"<br>> White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs said Wednesday. "We're not going<br>
> to go backward. We're going to move forward."<br>> <br>> Overall, the Republicans oppose the increased government role in<br>> regulating health care, claiming it will impinge on individuals' right to<br>
> choose care options in the future. Democrats say the law enacted last year<br>> will better control skyrocketing health care costs and expand coverage to<br>> millions of people currently lacking health insurance.<br>
> <br>> The specific motion the Senate voted on Wednesday involved a Democratic<br>> challenge to the Republican repeal amendment on the grounds that it would<br>> increase the federal deficit. The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office<br>
> has said the health care reform law will lower the deficit, so Democrats<br>> argue that repealing it would increase the deficit.<br>> <br>> By filing a budget point of order against the repeal amendment, Democrats<br>
> forced Republicans to hold a vote on waiving the point of order to<br>> consider the amendment. That required 60 votes in the 100-seat Senate to<br>> pass, a threshold out of reach of the Republicans, who hold 47 seats.<br>
> <br>> Using the budget challenge was a way for Democrats to say they voted for<br>> fiscal responsibility, while Republicans contend the public will<br>> understand that the vote was really against the repeal of health care<br>
> reform.<br>> <br>> While a repeal of the entire health care law won't move forward, Senate<br>> Democrats joined Republicans in voting for the elimination of a rule,<br>> scheduled to take effect in 2012, requiring businesses to issue Form 1099s<br>
> to any individual or corporation from which they buy more than $600 in<br>> goods or services in a year. Most liberals and conservatives view the rule<br>> as an unnecessary burden on private-sector employers.<br>
> <br>> The push for an outright repeal is one of several strategies currently<br>> being pursued by the GOP leadership in order to undermine support for the<br>> law. Senate Republicans also introduced legislation Tuesday that would<br>
> allow states to opt out of key provisions of the new health care law.<br>> <br>> Specifically, the bill would allow state governments to opt out of the<br>> so-called "individual mandate" requiring everyone to obtain health care<br>
> coverage by 2014 or face penalties. It would also allow states to ignore<br>> new mandates regarding employer-based coverage, insurance benefits and an<br>> expansion of Medicaid.<br>> <br>> The motion was introduced one day after a federal judge in Florida issued<br>
> a sweeping ruling against the law, siding with 26 states that had<br>> challenged the measure and setting up a likely Supreme Court challenge in<br>> the months ahead.<br>> <br>> A federal judge in eastern Virginia has also found the health care law<br>
> unconstitutional, while two other federal judges, one in western Virginia<br>> and one in Michigan, have ruled the opposite. Twelve other federal judges<br>> have dismissed challenges to the law, according to the White House<br>
> <br>> ---------------------------------------------------------<br>> <br>> Seeya round town, Moscow.<br>> <br>> Tom Hansen<br>> Moscow, Idaho<br>> <br>> "The Pessimist complains about the wind, the Optimist expects it to change<br>
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