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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Verdana>I give up.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=lfalen@turbonet.com href="mailto:lfalen@turbonet.com">lfalen</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=deco@moscow.com
href="mailto:deco@moscow.com">Art Deco</A> ; <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">Vision 2020</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, January 19, 2011 10:09
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] (no
subject)</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Quit trying to be coy. Come right out and say what the hell you
mean.<BR>Roger<BR>-----Original message-----<BR>From: "Art Deco" <A
href="mailto:deco@moscow.com">deco@moscow.com</A><BR>Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011
11:40:49 -0800<BR>To: "Vision 2020" <A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A><BR>Subject: Re:
[Vision2020] (no subject)<BR><BR>> Further evidence.<BR>>
----- Original Message ----- <BR>> From: lfalen
<BR>> To: Art Deco ; Vision 2020 <BR>> Sent:
Tuesday, January 18, 2011 10:00 AM<BR>> Subject: Re:
[Vision2020] (no subject)<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> No, I do not
get your drift.<BR>> Roger<BR>> -----Original
message-----<BR>> From: "Art Deco" <A
href="mailto:deco@moscow.com">deco@moscow.com</A><BR>> Date:
Fri, 14 Jan 2011 13:37:30 -0800<BR>> To: "Vision 2020" <A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A><BR>>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] (no subject)<BR>> <BR>> >
Roger's post below is not a kudos of Rumelhart's posts; rather a condemnation
(if you get the drift).<BR>> > <BR>> >
w.<BR>> > ----- Original Message -----
<BR>> > From: lfalen <BR>>
> To: Paul Rumelhart ; Andreas Schou <BR>>
> Cc: <A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A>
<BR>> > Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 12:11
PM<BR>> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] (no
subject)<BR>> > <BR>> >
<BR>> > I think that you are one of the most
reasonable people who post here and I agree with about 90% of your
posts.<BR>> > Roger<BR>>
> -----Original message-----<BR>>
> From: Paul Rumelhart <A
href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</A><BR>>
> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 21:50:07 -0800<BR>>
> To: Andreas Schou <A
href="mailto:ophite@gmail.com">ophite@gmail.com</A><BR>>
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] (no subject)<BR>>
> <BR>> > > <BR>>
> > I tend to annoy everybody, I think. It's a special
trait of mine.<BR>> > > <BR>>
> > I haven't met very many people on the list in real
life. I know Sue <BR>> > > Hovey, I've
met Nick Gier, and I've talked to Keely on the phone.<BR>>
> > <BR>> > > I miss some
of the old-timers that haven't been around in a while. Is
<BR>> > > Chasuk still around
somewhere? There have been periods of time where I <BR>>
> > haven't followed the list as much as I'd like, so maybe
I just haven't <BR>> > > seen his
posts.<BR>> > > <BR>>
> > Although Ted and I are constantly beating our heads
against each other, <BR>> > > I respect his
character and can confidently say that he's a principled <BR>>
> > person who cares deeply about the environment.
Nothing wrong with <BR>> > > that. As I
tend to get a bit snarky in my responses far too regularly,
<BR>> > > I apologize to him now for the many
sarcastic and unfriendly remarks <BR>> > >
I've made over the years.<BR>> > >
<BR>> > > I've talked with Gary both on and
off the list (a few times, anyway) and <BR>> >
> find him to be a good guy. He calls them like he sees them, and I
<BR>> > > respect that. My path over
the last few years is one of realizing that <BR>>
> > even people you differ with have important things to say
and that <BR>> > > everything is not so black
and white as people try to make it appear. <BR>>
> > My opinion of Gary has changed for the better since I've
interacted with <BR>> > > him, and that can
only be a good sign.<BR>> > >
<BR>> > > Apart from the last few weeks, I
haven't interacted with Joe that much, <BR>> >
> but I appreciate the civil discourse we've had, even though we both
<BR>> > > probably shriek at the walls
various unflattering remarks about each <BR>> >
> other after a long back-and-forth. He's an intelligent guy, and he
also <BR>> > > calls 'em like he sees 'em,
too. That's a good thing.<BR>> > >
<BR>> > > I've had some good conversations
with Donovan, and find him to be a nice <BR>> >
> guy.<BR>> > > <BR>>
> > Andreas is one of the more reasonable posters on the
list, I enjoy his <BR>> > > posts when I see
them. He seems level-headed and intelligent and wise,
<BR>> > > really.<BR>>
> > <BR>> > > I enjoy Tom's
humorous posts, and appreciate the work he does for the <BR>>
> > community. I'm not as big a fan of cats as he is,
though. Don't hate <BR>> > > them, mind
you, but I'm not as enamored of them.<BR>> >
> <BR>> > > I enjoy Keely's posts, even
though we often disagree about some things. <BR>>
> > I also enjoy Nicks posts, they are very
thought-provoking. There are <BR>> > >
lots of others I'm missing, I'm sure. Reggie, Roger, Wayne, Jeff, Dan,
<BR>> > > Dave, Deb, and others. All of
them nice people who think I'm a fruitcake ;)<BR>>
> > <BR>> > > It certainly
doesn't hurt to take a break from the mud-slinging and to <BR>>
> > realize that real people actually exist behind their
on-line personas. <BR>> > > This list
is an enigma. It's full of generally nice people who like to
<BR>> > > yell at each other all the
time. It must be the dehumanizing properties <BR>>
> > of the email medium, I guess.<BR>>
> > <BR>> > > Ah well, back
to the mudslinging, I say!<BR>> > >
<BR>> > > Paul<BR>>
> > <BR>> > > Andreas Schou
wrote:<BR>> > > > Gary's one of a very
small number of conservative commentators that<BR>>
> > > I've managed to read consistently since I first
became politically<BR>> > > > aware. In
part, this may be due to the fact that he is one of a very<BR>>
> > > small number of conservative commentators whom I
may annoy precisely<BR>> > > > as much as
he annoys me. But, even where I think he's wrong, he's at<BR>>
> > > least responsive.<BR>>
> > ><BR>> > > > He's
also a damn good locksmith and, as far as I've heard and<BR>>
> > > experienced, a decent human. I only disagree with
him about matters of<BR>> > > > life,
death, and whether and how the government should acquire
and<BR>> > > > spend trillions of dollars.
Other than that, we're cool. And he's not<BR>> >
> > the only conservative here that's made a positive contribution to
the<BR>> > > >
community.<BR>> > > ><BR>>
> > > Many of you know my wife had a brain tumor a couple
of years ago and<BR>> > > > nearly died. I
was in Seattle for most of the relevant period, but I<BR>>
> > > received an unsolicited offer from Doug Farris to
bring over<BR>> > > > casseroles and
whatnot. I couldn't take him up on it (because I<BR>>
> > > suspect his offer didn't extend to driving the
casseroles to Seattle),<BR>> > > > but I
appreciated it more than he knows. And I was genuinely sorry
to<BR>> > > > hear that Pat Kraut died; in
all of my professional dealings with her,<BR>> >
> > through the Nazarene church, she genuinely enacted the
charitable<BR>> > > > values we so
vehemently disagreed about the government enacting.<BR>>
> > ><BR>> > > > I
don't know the rest of the conservatives here as well. Glenn isn't
a<BR>> > > > real person (though I once
had a perfectly civil lunch with the person<BR>>
> > > I believe he is). Donovan Arnold probably wouldn't
kick a puppy unless<BR>> > > > the puppy
really had it coming. Jeff Harkins is sometimes genuinely<BR>>
> > > helpful, and bright and dedicated, if sometimes
glib.<BR>> > > ><BR>>
> > > I realize that it'll soon be time to get back to
shouting at each<BR>> > > > other. As we
should. Isn't that why we're all here? (Maybe not Paul.<BR>>
> > > He doesn't seem like a crank. I mean that as a
compliment.) But in the<BR>> > > > spirit
Dear Leader proposes, I think taking a moment to appreciate
the<BR>> > > > people we will soon be
throwing rotten fruit at seems appropriate.<BR>>
> > ><BR>> > > > --
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