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<DIV><FONT size=2>Roger's post below is not a kudos of Rumelhart's posts; rather
a condemnation (if you get the drift).</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>w.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=lfalen@turbonet.com href="mailto:lfalen@turbonet.com">lfalen</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=godshatter@yahoo.com
href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">Paul Rumelhart</A> ; <A
title=ophite@gmail.com href="mailto:ophite@gmail.com">Andreas Schou</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, January 14, 2011 12:11
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] (no
subject)</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>I think that you are one of the most reasonable people who post
here and I agree with about 90% of your posts.<BR>Roger<BR>-----Original
message-----<BR>From: Paul Rumelhart <A
href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</A><BR>Date: Thu, 13
Jan 2011 21:50:07 -0800<BR>To: Andreas Schou <A
href="mailto:ophite@gmail.com">ophite@gmail.com</A><BR>Subject: Re:
[Vision2020] (no subject)<BR><BR>> <BR>> I tend to annoy everybody, I
think. It's a special trait of mine.<BR>> <BR>> I haven't met very
many people on the list in real life. I know Sue <BR>> Hovey, I've
met Nick Gier, and I've talked to Keely on the phone.<BR>> <BR>> I miss
some of the old-timers that haven't been around in a while. Is <BR>>
Chasuk still around somewhere? There have been periods of time where I
<BR>> haven't followed the list as much as I'd like, so maybe I just
haven't <BR>> seen his posts.<BR>> <BR>> Although Ted and I are
constantly beating our heads against each other, <BR>> I respect his
character and can confidently say that he's a principled <BR>> person who
cares deeply about the environment. Nothing wrong with <BR>>
that. As I tend to get a bit snarky in my responses far too regularly,
<BR>> I apologize to him now for the many sarcastic and unfriendly remarks
<BR>> I've made over the years.<BR>> <BR>> I've talked with Gary both
on and off the list (a few times, anyway) and <BR>> find him to be a good
guy. He calls them like he sees them, and I <BR>> respect that.
My path over the last few years is one of realizing that <BR>> even people
you differ with have important things to say and that <BR>> everything is
not so black and white as people try to make it appear. <BR>> My
opinion of Gary has changed for the better since I've interacted with <BR>>
him, and that can only be a good sign.<BR>> <BR>> Apart from the last
few weeks, I haven't interacted with Joe that much, <BR>> but I appreciate
the civil discourse we've had, even though we both <BR>> probably shriek at
the walls various unflattering remarks about each <BR>> other after a long
back-and-forth. He's an intelligent guy, and he also <BR>> calls 'em
like he sees 'em, too. That's a good thing.<BR>> <BR>> I've had
some good conversations with Donovan, and find him to be a nice <BR>>
guy.<BR>> <BR>> Andreas is one of the more reasonable posters on the
list, I enjoy his <BR>> posts when I see them. He seems level-headed
and intelligent and wise, <BR>> really.<BR>> <BR>> I enjoy Tom's
humorous posts, and appreciate the work he does for the <BR>>
community. I'm not as big a fan of cats as he is, though. Don't
hate <BR>> them, mind you, but I'm not as enamored of them.<BR>>
<BR>> I enjoy Keely's posts, even though we often disagree about some
things. <BR>> I also enjoy Nicks posts, they are very
thought-provoking. There are <BR>> lots of others I'm missing, I'm
sure. Reggie, Roger, Wayne, Jeff, Dan, <BR>> Dave, Deb, and
others. All of them nice people who think I'm a fruitcake ;)<BR>>
<BR>> It certainly doesn't hurt to take a break from the mud-slinging and
to <BR>> realize that real people actually exist behind their on-line
personas. <BR>> This list is an enigma. It's full of generally
nice people who like to <BR>> yell at each other all the time. It
must be the dehumanizing properties <BR>> of the email medium, I
guess.<BR>> <BR>> Ah well, back to the mudslinging, I say!<BR>>
<BR>> Paul<BR>> <BR>> Andreas Schou wrote:<BR>> > Gary's one of
a very small number of conservative commentators that<BR>> > I've
managed to read consistently since I first became politically<BR>> >
aware. In part, this may be due to the fact that he is one of a very<BR>>
> small number of conservative commentators whom I may annoy
precisely<BR>> > as much as he annoys me. But, even where I think he's
wrong, he's at<BR>> > least responsive.<BR>> ><BR>> > He's
also a damn good locksmith and, as far as I've heard and<BR>> >
experienced, a decent human. I only disagree with him about matters of<BR>>
> life, death, and whether and how the government should acquire
and<BR>> > spend trillions of dollars. Other than that, we're cool. And
he's not<BR>> > the only conservative here that's made a positive
contribution to the<BR>> > community.<BR>> ><BR>> > Many of
you know my wife had a brain tumor a couple of years ago and<BR>> >
nearly died. I was in Seattle for most of the relevant period, but I<BR>>
> received an unsolicited offer from Doug Farris to bring over<BR>> >
casseroles and whatnot. I couldn't take him up on it (because I<BR>> >
suspect his offer didn't extend to driving the casseroles to Seattle),<BR>>
> but I appreciated it more than he knows. And I was genuinely sorry
to<BR>> > hear that Pat Kraut died; in all of my professional dealings
with her,<BR>> > through the Nazarene church, she genuinely enacted the
charitable<BR>> > values we so vehemently disagreed about the
government enacting.<BR>> ><BR>> > I don't know the rest of the
conservatives here as well. Glenn isn't a<BR>> > real person (though I
once had a perfectly civil lunch with the person<BR>> > I believe he
is). Donovan Arnold probably wouldn't kick a puppy unless<BR>> > the
puppy really had it coming. Jeff Harkins is sometimes genuinely<BR>> >
helpful, and bright and dedicated, if sometimes glib.<BR>> ><BR>>
> I realize that it'll soon be time to get back to shouting at each<BR>>
> other. As we should. Isn't that why we're all here? (Maybe not
Paul.<BR>> > He doesn't seem like a crank. I mean that as a compliment.)
But in the<BR>> > spirit Dear Leader proposes, I think taking a moment
to appreciate the<BR>> > people we will soon be throwing rotten fruit at
seems appropriate.<BR>> ><BR>> > -- ACS<BR>> ><BR>> >
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