<html><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>You don't have any inclination ... to do what you just did!?! I wish you would engage and please explain why you consistently treat me the way you do, tell us all what I've done to deserve it.<br><br><br></div><div><br>On Jan 13, 2011, at 10:33 PM, "Gary Crabtree" <<a href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">jampot@roadrunner.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
<div><font color="#000000" face="Calibri">I haven't the inclination to engage in a
did too/did not discussion with Mr. Campbell on this topic. I will say to
him that he has my complete permission to release any and all private
e-mail pertaining to this or any other topic. I also invite anyone who
cares to take a stroll back through the vision 20/20 archives to 18 May 2006 and
read under the subject heading "thin skinned." <a title="http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2006-May/029780.html
CTRL + Click to follow link" href="http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2006-May/029780.html"><a href="http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2006-May/029780.html">http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2006-May/029780.html</a></a> I
think you will find events significantly different from those described. The
most glaring discrepancies being:</font></div>
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<div><font color="#000000" face="Calibri">>No private e-mail detailing phobias
</font></div></font></div>
<div><font color="#000000" face="Calibri">> No threats from me regarding flyers
(or anything else) </font></div>
<div><font color="#000000" face="Calibri">>No selective release of information to
Dale Courtney or any other community members</font></div>
<div><font color="#000000" face="Calibri">>Nothing out of context as I reprinted
the post exactly as I received it</font></div>
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<div><br><br>--------------------------------------------------<br>From: "Joe
Campbell" <<a href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com">philosopher.joe@gmail.com</a>><br>Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011
7:41 PM<br>To: "deb" <<a href="mailto:debismith@moscow.com">debismith@moscow.com</a>><br>Cc: "Gary Crabtree"
<<a href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">jampot@roadrunner.com</a>>; <<a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a>><br>Subject: Re:
[Vision2020] (no subject)<br><br>> I'm fine with this, Deb and thankful for
the post! I've had a number<br>> of friends of mine who have made similar
comments about Gary as a<br>> businessman. A rather large number, in fact,
with stories very similar<br>> to this in all respects.<br>> <br>> To
be honest, I still kind of like him. He is blunt, like I am, and I<br>>
appreciate that. But he has never had a civil thing to say to me. Not<br>>
once. He is completely hostile and hateful. I've tried to be nice on a<br>>
few occasions but it is difficult to keep it up. And if you look<br>>
carefully, each time I've called him a "jackass" it was in response to<br>>
something that was completely out of line, something different from<br>> the
usual insults which are contained in every single response he ever<br>> makes
to me. For Christ sakes, yesterday he accused me of being happy<br>> about
the Tucson shooting. That is just way over the line.<br>> <br>> I've said
this before and I'll repeat it. A long time ago Gary and I<br>> shared some
offline correspondence for over a week or two. I made a<br>> huge mistake of
revealing several things about my personal life and<br>> past history to
explain my anger about some of his posts: that I had a<br>> sister who is now
dead who was a lesbian; that I spent most of my life<br>> poor and had a
constant, irrational fear of loosing my job and<br>> returning to that state
of poverty; that for this reason I disliked<br>> people talking about my job
in political discussion; etc.<br>> <br>> It isn't just that he exploited
these and other weaknesses of mine but<br>> in fact shared this private
information with several local<br>> conservatives who have been harassing me
with those insults ever<br>> since. If you don't believe me, just look
carefully at the exchanges<br>> from a few years ago, and look at previous
posts about me on RightMind<br>> as well as the Daily News website. It's a
matter of record for anyone<br>> who would care to look it up.<br>>
<br>> It was during this exchange, when Crabtree threatened to come over
to<br>> WSU and pass out flyers about how irrational I was that I wrote
back<br>> threatening to punch him in the nose if he didn't shut up. He
then<br>> shared that message with Dale Courtney who posted it out of context
on<br>> RightMind. And even though I made a public apology on the V,
the<br>> original letter (out of context) comes up there and here and on
the<br>> Daily News website on a regular basis. It was repeated on
RightMind<br>> recently, when I was complaining about the violent rhetoric of
NSA.<br>> <br>> So even though I sort of like him, sort of respect him I
have a hard<br>> time maintaining a civil relationship with Mr. Crabtree. But
that's<br>> me. I can see why others like him and I have no problem with
that.<br>> <br>> I do kind of wish that you had a problem with truth
tables, or the<br>> history of philosophy today and had run into me!<br>>
<br>> On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 5:08 PM, deb <<a href="mailto:debismith@moscow.com">debismith@moscow.com</a>>
wrote:<br>>> OK, just a moment out of the free-for-all bashing and
point-counter-point.<br>>><br>>> I am a big fan of Joe Campbell. We
sort of swing the same way in politics<br>>> and opinions. He's also a
darn nice guy. Sometimes I want him to calm down a<br>>> bit, but
sometimes he probably wants me to just shut up. OK.<br>>><br>>> I
have not been a big fan of Gary Crabtree, but I have never met him
in<br>>> person, so all I had to go on were his postings on V2020. I seldo
(well,<br>>> almost never) agree with a darn thing he has to say. I had no
idea if he was<br>>> a nice guy or a total asshat, but I knew he was not
on my page, and probably<br>>> was in anentirely different book.
OK.<br>>><br>>> About 4:15 today, I foolishly locked my keys in my
car. The spare key was at<br>>> home. My partner was not. What to do? Call
the Locksmith! As I was downtown,<br>>> I went to Gary's
Lockshop--fortunately, he was there. He drove me back to my<br>>> car,
quickly and efficiently got it open, I retrieved my keys from the
front<br>>> seat where they had fallen from my very shallow front pocket
just as I<br>>> slammed the (locked) door, he drove me back to the
Lockshop so I could pay<br>>> him the (reasonable) $40 with the credit
card I had cleverly left in my<br>>> handbag in the locked car. I was
thanking him all the way, as I had things<br>>> to do, and could still do
them!<br>>><br>>> When Gary saw the card, my name registered with
him. He made a comment about<br>>> me posting negatively about him on the
V---I said something about not<br>>> remembering saying anything about him
personally (though, Goddess knows I<br>>> probably have!). He made me a
spare key and gave me a magnet for it (no<br>>> extra charge) and took me
back to my car.<br>>><br>>> We shook hands, said we were glad to
meet one another in person, and both<br>>> got on with our day.
OK.<br>>><br>>> Just a reminder to me, and I hope to everyone out
there. We can disagree, we<br>>> can be nasty to one another, we can hold
radically different opinions. At<br>>> the end of the day, Gary got me
into my car, and I owe him some organic<br>>> veggies (at a reasonable
price!). We are still a community, win lose or<br>>> draw. Maybe we can
stop hacking at each other on a personal level once in a<br>>> while?
Criticism, contention, refutation, debate----all fine. Let's just
try<br>>> to keep the personal insults to a minimum. Just because we
disagree doesn't<br>>> mean either one of us is
evil.....<br>>><br>>><br>>>
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