<html><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>Context and a demand for truth. Nothing more. You can bs the others but don't forget that I was there.<br><br><br></div><div><br>On Jan 14, 2011, at 6:35 AM, "Gary Crabtree" <<a href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">jampot@roadrunner.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
<div><font color="#000000" face="Calibri">I think that I treat you pretty much the
same as anyone else I strongly disagree with. Glancing through the archives I
see no major difference between my responses to you and say for instance my
replies to Mr. Schou or Mr. Fox. The only difference in the exchanges that I can
see is that they don't immediately become emotionally invested in the argument
and start flailing. Keeping a cool head in the heat of the moment does not
appear to be a component of your constitutional make up.</font></div>
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<div><font color="#000000" face="Calibri">Now a question for you. Why did you build
such a ridiculous narrative up around your little decent into "violent
rhetoric?"</font></div>
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<div style="font-color: black"><b>From:</b> <a title="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com
CTRL + Click to follow link" href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com">Joe Campbell</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Friday, January 14, 2011 3:35 AM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com
CTRL + Click to follow link" href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">Gary Crabtree</a> </div>
<div><b>Cc:</b> <a title="debismith@moscow.com" href="mailto:debismith@moscow.com">deb</a> ; <a title="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com>
CTRL + Click to follow link" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com>"><<a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a>></a> </div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] (no subject)</div></div></div>
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<div>You don't have any inclination ... to do what you just did!?! I wish you
would engage and please explain why you consistently treat me the way you do,
tell us all what I've done to deserve it.<br><br><br></div>
<div><br>On Jan 13, 2011, at 10:33 PM, "Gary Crabtree" <<a title="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com
CTRL + Click to follow link" href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com"><a href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">jampot@roadrunner.com</a></a>>
wrote:<br><br></div>
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<div><font color="#000000" face="Calibri">I haven't the inclination to engage in a
did too/did not discussion with Mr. Campbell on this topic. I will say to
him that he has my complete permission to release any and all private
e-mail pertaining to this or any other topic. I also invite anyone
who cares to take a stroll back through the vision 20/20 archives to 18 May
2006 and read under the subject heading "thin skinned." <a title="http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2006-May/029780.html
CTRL + Click to follow link" href="http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2006-May/029780.html"></a><a title="http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2006-May/029780.html
CTRL + Click to follow link" href="http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2006-May/029780.html"><a href="http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2006-May/029780.html">http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2006-May/029780.html</a></a> I
think you will find events significantly different from those described. The
most glaring discrepancies being:</font></div>
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<div><font color="#000000" face="Calibri">>No private e-mail detailing phobias
</font></div></font></div>
<div><font color="#000000" face="Calibri">> No threats from me regarding flyers
(or anything else) </font></div>
<div><font color="#000000" face="Calibri">>No selective release of information
to Dale Courtney or any other community members</font></div>
<div><font color="#000000" face="Calibri">>Nothing out of context as I
reprinted the post exactly as I received it</font></div>
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<div><font color="#000000" face="Calibri">g</font></div>
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Campbell" <<a href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com"><a href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com">philosopher.joe@gmail.com</a></a>><br>Sent:
Thursday, January 13, 2011 7:41 PM<br>To: "deb" <<a href="mailto:debismith@moscow.com"><a href="mailto:debismith@moscow.com">debismith@moscow.com</a></a>><br>Cc: "Gary
Crabtree" <<a href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com"><a href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">jampot@roadrunner.com</a></a>>; <<a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a></a>><br>Subject:
Re: [Vision2020] (no subject)<br><br>> I'm fine with this, Deb and thankful
for the post! I've had a number<br>> of friends of mine who have made
similar comments about Gary as a<br>> businessman. A rather large number,
in fact, with stories very similar<br>> to this in all respects.<br>>
<br>> To be honest, I still kind of like him. He is blunt, like I am, and
I<br>> appreciate that. But he has never had a civil thing to say to me.
Not<br>> once. He is completely hostile and hateful. I've tried to be nice
on a<br>> few occasions but it is difficult to keep it up. And if you
look<br>> carefully, each time I've called him a "jackass" it was in
response to<br>> something that was completely out of line, something
different from<br>> the usual insults which are contained in every single
response he ever<br>> makes to me. For Christ sakes, yesterday he accused
me of being happy<br>> about the Tucson shooting. That is just way over the
line.<br>> <br>> I've said this before and I'll repeat it. A long time
ago Gary and I<br>> shared some offline correspondence for over a week or
two. I made a<br>> huge mistake of revealing several things about my
personal life and<br>> past history to explain my anger about some of his
posts: that I had a<br>> sister who is now dead who was a lesbian; that I
spent most of my life<br>> poor and had a constant, irrational fear of
loosing my job and<br>> returning to that state of poverty; that for this
reason I disliked<br>> people talking about my job in political discussion;
etc.<br>> <br>> It isn't just that he exploited these and other
weaknesses of mine but<br>> in fact shared this private information with
several local<br>> conservatives who have been harassing me with those
insults ever<br>> since. If you don't believe me, just look carefully at
the exchanges<br>> from a few years ago, and look at previous posts about
me on RightMind<br>> as well as the Daily News website. It's a matter of
record for anyone<br>> who would care to look it up.<br>> <br>> It
was during this exchange, when Crabtree threatened to come over to<br>> WSU
and pass out flyers about how irrational I was that I wrote back<br>>
threatening to punch him in the nose if he didn't shut up. He then<br>>
shared that message with Dale Courtney who posted it out of context on<br>>
RightMind. And even though I made a public apology on the V, the<br>>
original letter (out of context) comes up there and here and on the<br>>
Daily News website on a regular basis. It was repeated on RightMind<br>>
recently, when I was complaining about the violent rhetoric of NSA.<br>>
<br>> So even though I sort of like him, sort of respect him I have a
hard<br>> time maintaining a civil relationship with Mr. Crabtree. But
that's<br>> me. I can see why others like him and I have no problem with
that.<br>> <br>> I do kind of wish that you had a problem with truth
tables, or the<br>> history of philosophy today and had run into
me!<br>> <br>> On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 5:08 PM, deb <<a href="mailto:debismith@moscow.com"><a href="mailto:debismith@moscow.com">debismith@moscow.com</a></a>>
wrote:<br>>> OK, just a moment out of the free-for-all bashing and
point-counter-point.<br>>><br>>> I am a big fan of Joe Campbell.
We sort of swing the same way in politics<br>>> and opinions. He's also
a darn nice guy. Sometimes I want him to calm down a<br>>> bit, but
sometimes he probably wants me to just shut up. OK.<br>>><br>>> I
have not been a big fan of Gary Crabtree, but I have never met him
in<br>>> person, so all I had to go on were his postings on V2020. I
seldo (well,<br>>> almost never) agree with a darn thing he has to say.
I had no idea if he was<br>>> a nice guy or a total asshat, but I knew
he was not on my page, and probably<br>>> was in anentirely different
book. OK.<br>>><br>>> About 4:15 today, I foolishly locked my keys
in my car. The spare key was at<br>>> home. My partner was not. What to
do? Call the Locksmith! As I was downtown,<br>>> I went to Gary's
Lockshop--fortunately, he was there. He drove me back to my<br>>> car,
quickly and efficiently got it open, I retrieved my keys from the
front<br>>> seat where they had fallen from my very shallow front pocket
just as I<br>>> slammed the (locked) door, he drove me back to the
Lockshop so I could pay<br>>> him the (reasonable) $40 with the credit
card I had cleverly left in my<br>>> handbag in the locked car. I was
thanking him all the way, as I had things<br>>> to do, and could still
do them!<br>>><br>>> When Gary saw the card, my name registered
with him. He made a comment about<br>>> me posting negatively about him
on the V---I said something about not<br>>> remembering saying anything
about him personally (though, Goddess knows I<br>>> probably have!). He
made me a spare key and gave me a magnet for it (no<br>>> extra charge)
and took me back to my car.<br>>><br>>> We shook hands, said we
were glad to meet one another in person, and both<br>>> got on with our
day. OK.<br>>><br>>> Just a reminder to me, and I hope to everyone
out there. We can disagree, we<br>>> can be nasty to one another, we can
hold radically different opinions. At<br>>> the end of the day, Gary got
me into my car, and I owe him some organic<br>>> veggies (at a
reasonable price!). We are still a community, win lose or<br>>> draw.
Maybe we can stop hacking at each other on a personal level once in
a<br>>> while? Criticism, contention, refutation, debate----all fine.
Let's just try<br>>> to keep the personal insults to a minimum. Just
because we disagree doesn't<br>>> mean either one of us is
evil.....<br>>><br>>><br>>>
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