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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I posted verbatim from the Vision 20/20 archives.
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>For the right mind post please see:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><A
href="http://right-mind.us/blogs/intolerista_island/archive/2006/05/18/43812.aspx">http://right-mind.us/blogs/intolerista_island/archive/2006/05/18/43812.aspx</A></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>As you can see pretty much the exact same post with
a minor edit to remove your profanity along with a
little highly germane editorial comment. Please note the comments made
by Scott (remember him? he was involved on your side of the discussion) toward
the end. Pretty much puts the lie to your version of what
transpired.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Now, as to "standards of proof" hows about you
cowboy up and provide a little for your rather fantastic version of
events. If you can't, say so and let this sordid matter die. I've
heard you teach logic, here's your opportunity to finally display
some.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>g</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=philosopher.joe@gmail.com href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com">Joe
Campbell</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=lockshop@pull.twcbc.com
href="mailto:lockshop@pull.twcbc.com">the lockshop</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=jampot@roadrunner.com
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">Gary Crabtree</A> ; <A
title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com>"><vision2020@moscow.com></A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, January 14, 2011 2:46
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] (no
subject)</DIV>
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<DIV>Was this the RightMind post? I don't think so!</DIV>
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<DIV>I love how when it is something you question the standards of proof go up
and when it's something you believe they go down. </DIV>
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what do I know about standards of proof? I just teach logic!</SPAN><BR></DIV>
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<DIV><BR>On Jan 14, 2011, at 8:15 AM, "the lockshop" <<A
href="mailto:lockshop@pull.twcbc.com">lockshop@pull.twcbc.com</A>>
wrote:<BR><BR></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>As were almost everyone else we share this
forum with. I'm not asking our fellow visionaires to rely on my word or
carefully edited recollection. Rereading the pertenent posts from the spring
of 2006 wiil refresh any fading memories. Perhaps you should give it a
try.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>g</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=philosopher.joe@gmail.com
href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com">Joe Campbell</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=jampot@roadrunner.com
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">Gary Crabtree</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com>"><<A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A>></A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, January 14, 2011 7:59
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] (no
subject)</DIV>
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<DIV>Context and a demand for truth. Nothing more. You can bs the others
but don't forget that I was there.<BR><BR><BR></DIV>
<DIV><BR>On Jan 14, 2011, at 6:35 AM, "Gary Crabtree" <<A
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com"><A
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">jampot@roadrunner.com</A></A>>
wrote:<BR><BR></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Calibri color=#000000>I think that I treat you pretty
much the same as anyone else I strongly disagree with. Glancing through
the archives I see no major difference between my responses to you and
say for instance my replies to Mr. Schou or Mr. Fox. The only difference
in the exchanges that I can see is that they don't immediately become
emotionally invested in the argument and start flailing. Keeping a cool
head in the heat of the moment does not appear to be a component of your
constitutional make up.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Calibri color=#000000></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Calibri color=#000000>Now a question for you. Why did
you build such a ridiculous narrative up around your little decent into
"violent rhetoric?"</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Calibri color=#000000></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Calibri color=#000000>g</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A
title="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com CTRL + Click to follow link"
href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com">Joe Campbell</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Friday, January 14, 2011 3:35 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A
title="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com CTRL + Click to follow link"
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">Gary Crabtree</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title=debismith@moscow.com
href="mailto:debismith@moscow.com">deb</A> ; <A
title="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com> CTRL + Click to follow link"
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com>"><</A><A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A></A>>
</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] (no subject)</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV>You don't have any inclination ... to do what you just did!?! I
wish you would engage and please explain why you consistently treat me
the way you do, tell us all what I've done to deserve
it.<BR><BR><BR></DIV>
<DIV><BR>On Jan 13, 2011, at 10:33 PM, "Gary Crabtree" <<A
title="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com CTRL + Click to follow link"
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com"></A><A
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com"><A
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">jampot@roadrunner.com</A></A>>
wrote:<BR><BR></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Calibri color=#000000>I haven't the inclination to
engage in a did too/did not discussion with Mr. Campbell on this
topic. I will say to him that he has my complete permission to
release any and all private e-mail pertaining to this or any
other topic. I also invite anyone who cares to take a stroll back
through the vision 20/20 archives to 18 May 2006 and read under the
subject heading "thin skinned." <A
title="http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2006-May/029780.html CTRL + Click to follow link"
href="http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2006-May/029780.html"></A><A
title="http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2006-May/029780.html CTRL + Click to follow link"
href="http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2006-May/029780.html"></A><A
href="http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2006-May/029780.html"><A
href="http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2006-May/029780.html">http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2006-May/029780.html</A></A> I
think you will find events significantly different from those
described. The most glaring discrepancies being:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Calibri color=#000000>
<DIV><FONT face=Calibri color=#000000></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Calibri color=#000000>>No private e-mail detailing
phobias </FONT></DIV></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Calibri color=#000000>> No threats from me
regarding flyers (or anything else) </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Calibri color=#000000>>No selective release of
information to Dale Courtney or any other community
members</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Calibri color=#000000>>Nothing out of context as I
reprinted the post exactly as I received it</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Calibri color=#000000></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Calibri color=#000000></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Calibri color=#000000></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Calibri color=#000000>g</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><BR><BR>--------------------------------------------------<BR>From:
"Joe Campbell" <<A href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com"></A><A
href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com"><A
href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com">philosopher.joe@gmail.com</A></A>><BR>Sent:
Thursday, January 13, 2011 7:41 PM<BR>To: "deb" <<A
href="mailto:debismith@moscow.com"></A><A
href="mailto:debismith@moscow.com"><A
href="mailto:debismith@moscow.com">debismith@moscow.com</A></A>><BR>Cc:
"Gary Crabtree" <<A href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com"></A><A
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com"><A
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">jampot@roadrunner.com</A></A>>;
<<A href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"></A><A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A></A>><BR>Subject:
Re: [Vision2020] (no subject)<BR><BR>> I'm fine with this, Deb and
thankful for the post! I've had a number<BR>> of friends of mine
who have made similar comments about Gary as a<BR>> businessman. A
rather large number, in fact, with stories very similar<BR>> to
this in all respects.<BR>> <BR>> To be honest, I still kind of
like him. He is blunt, like I am, and I<BR>> appreciate that. But
he has never had a civil thing to say to me. Not<BR>> once. He is
completely hostile and hateful. I've tried to be nice on a<BR>> few
occasions but it is difficult to keep it up. And if you look<BR>>
carefully, each time I've called him a "jackass" it was in response
to<BR>> something that was completely out of line, something
different from<BR>> the usual insults which are contained in every
single response he ever<BR>> makes to me. For Christ sakes,
yesterday he accused me of being happy<BR>> about the Tucson
shooting. That is just way over the line.<BR>> <BR>> I've said
this before and I'll repeat it. A long time ago Gary and I<BR>>
shared some offline correspondence for over a week or two. I made
a<BR>> huge mistake of revealing several things about my personal
life and<BR>> past history to explain my anger about some of his
posts: that I had a<BR>> sister who is now dead who was a lesbian;
that I spent most of my life<BR>> poor and had a constant,
irrational fear of loosing my job and<BR>> returning to that state
of poverty; that for this reason I disliked<BR>> people talking
about my job in political discussion; etc.<BR>> <BR>> It isn't
just that he exploited these and other weaknesses of mine but<BR>>
in fact shared this private information with several local<BR>>
conservatives who have been harassing me with those insults
ever<BR>> since. If you don't believe me, just look carefully at
the exchanges<BR>> from a few years ago, and look at previous posts
about me on RightMind<BR>> as well as the Daily News website. It's
a matter of record for anyone<BR>> who would care to look it
up.<BR>> <BR>> It was during this exchange, when Crabtree
threatened to come over to<BR>> WSU and pass out flyers about how
irrational I was that I wrote back<BR>> threatening to punch him in
the nose if he didn't shut up. He then<BR>> shared that message
with Dale Courtney who posted it out of context on<BR>> RightMind.
And even though I made a public apology on the V, the<BR>> original
letter (out of context) comes up there and here and on the<BR>>
Daily News website on a regular basis. It was repeated on
RightMind<BR>> recently, when I was complaining about the violent
rhetoric of NSA.<BR>> <BR>> So even though I sort of like him,
sort of respect him I have a hard<BR>> time maintaining a civil
relationship with Mr. Crabtree. But that's<BR>> me. I can see why
others like him and I have no problem with that.<BR>> <BR>> I do
kind of wish that you had a problem with truth tables, or the<BR>>
history of philosophy today and had run into me!<BR>> <BR>> On
Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 5:08 PM, deb <<A
href="mailto:debismith@moscow.com"></A><A
href="mailto:debismith@moscow.com"><A
href="mailto:debismith@moscow.com">debismith@moscow.com</A></A>>
wrote:<BR>>> OK, just a moment out of the free-for-all bashing
and point-counter-point.<BR>>><BR>>> I am a big fan of Joe
Campbell. We sort of swing the same way in politics<BR>>> and
opinions. He's also a darn nice guy. Sometimes I want him to calm down
a<BR>>> bit, but sometimes he probably wants me to just shut up.
OK.<BR>>><BR>>> I have not been a big fan of Gary
Crabtree, but I have never met him in<BR>>> person, so all I had
to go on were his postings on V2020. I seldo (well,<BR>>> almost
never) agree with a darn thing he has to say. I had no idea if he
was<BR>>> a nice guy or a total asshat, but I knew he was not on
my page, and probably<BR>>> was in anentirely different book.
OK.<BR>>><BR>>> About 4:15 today, I foolishly locked my
keys in my car. The spare key was at<BR>>> home. My partner was
not. What to do? Call the Locksmith! As I was downtown,<BR>>> I
went to Gary's Lockshop--fortunately, he was there. He drove me back
to my<BR>>> car, quickly and efficiently got it open, I
retrieved my keys from the front<BR>>> seat where they had
fallen from my very shallow front pocket just as I<BR>>> slammed
the (locked) door, he drove me back to the Lockshop so I could
pay<BR>>> him the (reasonable) $40 with the credit card I had
cleverly left in my<BR>>> handbag in the locked car. I was
thanking him all the way, as I had things<BR>>> to do, and could
still do them!<BR>>><BR>>> When Gary saw the card, my name
registered with him. He made a comment about<BR>>> me posting
negatively about him on the V---I said something about not<BR>>>
remembering saying anything about him personally (though, Goddess
knows I<BR>>> probably have!). He made me a spare key and gave
me a magnet for it (no<BR>>> extra charge) and took me back to
my car.<BR>>><BR>>> We shook hands, said we were glad to
meet one another in person, and both<BR>>> got on with our day.
OK.<BR>>><BR>>> Just a reminder to me, and I hope to
everyone out there. We can disagree, we<BR>>> can be nasty to
one another, we can hold radically different opinions. At<BR>>>
the end of the day, Gary got me into my car, and I owe him some
organic<BR>>> veggies (at a reasonable price!). We are still a
community, win lose or<BR>>> draw. Maybe we can stop hacking at
each other on a personal level once in a<BR>>> while? Criticism,
contention, refutation, debate----all fine. Let's just try<BR>>>
to keep the personal insults to a minimum. Just because we disagree
doesn't<BR>>> mean either one of us is
evil.....<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>
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