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<DIV><FONT color=#000000 face=Calibri>I think that I treat you pretty much the
same as anyone else I strongly disagree with. Glancing through the archives I
see no major difference between my responses to you and say for instance my
replies to Mr. Schou or Mr. Fox. The only difference in the exchanges that I can
see is that they don't immediately become emotionally invested in the argument
and start flailing. Keeping a cool head in the heat of the moment does not
appear to be a component of your constitutional make up.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#000000 face=Calibri>Now a question for you. Why did you build
such a ridiculous narrative up around your little decent into "violent
rhetoric?"</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 face=Calibri></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 face=Calibri>g</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A
title="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com CTRL + Click to follow link"
href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com">Joe Campbell</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Friday, January 14, 2011 3:35 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A
title="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com CTRL + Click to follow link"
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">Gary Crabtree</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title=debismith@moscow.com
href="mailto:debismith@moscow.com">deb</A> ; <A
title="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com> CTRL + Click to follow link"
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com>"><vision2020@moscow.com></A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] (no subject)</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV>You don't have any inclination ... to do what you just did!?! I wish you
would engage and please explain why you consistently treat me the way you do,
tell us all what I've done to deserve it.<BR><BR><BR></DIV>
<DIV><BR>On Jan 13, 2011, at 10:33 PM, "Gary Crabtree" <<A
title="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com CTRL + Click to follow link"
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">jampot@roadrunner.com</A>>
wrote:<BR><BR></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#000000 face=Calibri>I haven't the inclination to engage in a
did too/did not discussion with Mr. Campbell on this topic. I will say to
him that he has my complete permission to release any and all private
e-mail pertaining to this or any other topic. I also invite anyone
who cares to take a stroll back through the vision 20/20 archives to 18 May
2006 and read under the subject heading "thin skinned." <A
title="http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2006-May/029780.html CTRL + Click to follow link"
href="http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2006-May/029780.html"><A
title="http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2006-May/029780.html CTRL + Click to follow link"
href="http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2006-May/029780.html">http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2006-May/029780.html</A></A> I
think you will find events significantly different from those described. The
most glaring discrepancies being:</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#000000 face=Calibri>>No private e-mail detailing phobias
</FONT></DIV></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 face=Calibri>> No threats from me regarding flyers
(or anything else) </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 face=Calibri>>No selective release of information
to Dale Courtney or any other community members</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 face=Calibri>>Nothing out of context as I
reprinted the post exactly as I received it</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#000000 face=Calibri>g</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><BR><BR>--------------------------------------------------<BR>From: "Joe
Campbell" <<A
href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com">philosopher.joe@gmail.com</A>><BR>Sent:
Thursday, January 13, 2011 7:41 PM<BR>To: "deb" <<A
href="mailto:debismith@moscow.com">debismith@moscow.com</A>><BR>Cc: "Gary
Crabtree" <<A
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">jampot@roadrunner.com</A>>; <<A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A>><BR>Subject:
Re: [Vision2020] (no subject)<BR><BR>> I'm fine with this, Deb and thankful
for the post! I've had a number<BR>> of friends of mine who have made
similar comments about Gary as a<BR>> businessman. A rather large number,
in fact, with stories very similar<BR>> to this in all respects.<BR>>
<BR>> To be honest, I still kind of like him. He is blunt, like I am, and
I<BR>> appreciate that. But he has never had a civil thing to say to me.
Not<BR>> once. He is completely hostile and hateful. I've tried to be nice
on a<BR>> few occasions but it is difficult to keep it up. And if you
look<BR>> carefully, each time I've called him a "jackass" it was in
response to<BR>> something that was completely out of line, something
different from<BR>> the usual insults which are contained in every single
response he ever<BR>> makes to me. For Christ sakes, yesterday he accused
me of being happy<BR>> about the Tucson shooting. That is just way over the
line.<BR>> <BR>> I've said this before and I'll repeat it. A long time
ago Gary and I<BR>> shared some offline correspondence for over a week or
two. I made a<BR>> huge mistake of revealing several things about my
personal life and<BR>> past history to explain my anger about some of his
posts: that I had a<BR>> sister who is now dead who was a lesbian; that I
spent most of my life<BR>> poor and had a constant, irrational fear of
loosing my job and<BR>> returning to that state of poverty; that for this
reason I disliked<BR>> people talking about my job in political discussion;
etc.<BR>> <BR>> It isn't just that he exploited these and other
weaknesses of mine but<BR>> in fact shared this private information with
several local<BR>> conservatives who have been harassing me with those
insults ever<BR>> since. If you don't believe me, just look carefully at
the exchanges<BR>> from a few years ago, and look at previous posts about
me on RightMind<BR>> as well as the Daily News website. It's a matter of
record for anyone<BR>> who would care to look it up.<BR>> <BR>> It
was during this exchange, when Crabtree threatened to come over to<BR>> WSU
and pass out flyers about how irrational I was that I wrote back<BR>>
threatening to punch him in the nose if he didn't shut up. He then<BR>>
shared that message with Dale Courtney who posted it out of context on<BR>>
RightMind. And even though I made a public apology on the V, the<BR>>
original letter (out of context) comes up there and here and on the<BR>>
Daily News website on a regular basis. It was repeated on RightMind<BR>>
recently, when I was complaining about the violent rhetoric of NSA.<BR>>
<BR>> So even though I sort of like him, sort of respect him I have a
hard<BR>> time maintaining a civil relationship with Mr. Crabtree. But
that's<BR>> me. I can see why others like him and I have no problem with
that.<BR>> <BR>> I do kind of wish that you had a problem with truth
tables, or the<BR>> history of philosophy today and had run into
me!<BR>> <BR>> On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 5:08 PM, deb <<A
href="mailto:debismith@moscow.com">debismith@moscow.com</A>>
wrote:<BR>>> OK, just a moment out of the free-for-all bashing and
point-counter-point.<BR>>><BR>>> I am a big fan of Joe Campbell.
We sort of swing the same way in politics<BR>>> and opinions. He's also
a darn nice guy. Sometimes I want him to calm down a<BR>>> bit, but
sometimes he probably wants me to just shut up. OK.<BR>>><BR>>> I
have not been a big fan of Gary Crabtree, but I have never met him
in<BR>>> person, so all I had to go on were his postings on V2020. I
seldo (well,<BR>>> almost never) agree with a darn thing he has to say.
I had no idea if he was<BR>>> a nice guy or a total asshat, but I knew
he was not on my page, and probably<BR>>> was in anentirely different
book. OK.<BR>>><BR>>> About 4:15 today, I foolishly locked my keys
in my car. The spare key was at<BR>>> home. My partner was not. What to
do? Call the Locksmith! As I was downtown,<BR>>> I went to Gary's
Lockshop--fortunately, he was there. He drove me back to my<BR>>> car,
quickly and efficiently got it open, I retrieved my keys from the
front<BR>>> seat where they had fallen from my very shallow front pocket
just as I<BR>>> slammed the (locked) door, he drove me back to the
Lockshop so I could pay<BR>>> him the (reasonable) $40 with the credit
card I had cleverly left in my<BR>>> handbag in the locked car. I was
thanking him all the way, as I had things<BR>>> to do, and could still
do them!<BR>>><BR>>> When Gary saw the card, my name registered
with him. He made a comment about<BR>>> me posting negatively about him
on the V---I said something about not<BR>>> remembering saying anything
about him personally (though, Goddess knows I<BR>>> probably have!). He
made me a spare key and gave me a magnet for it (no<BR>>> extra charge)
and took me back to my car.<BR>>><BR>>> We shook hands, said we
were glad to meet one another in person, and both<BR>>> got on with our
day. OK.<BR>>><BR>>> Just a reminder to me, and I hope to everyone
out there. We can disagree, we<BR>>> can be nasty to one another, we can
hold radically different opinions. At<BR>>> the end of the day, Gary got
me into my car, and I owe him some organic<BR>>> veggies (at a
reasonable price!). We are still a community, win lose or<BR>>> draw.
Maybe we can stop hacking at each other on a personal level once in
a<BR>>> while? Criticism, contention, refutation, debate----all fine.
Let's just try<BR>>> to keep the personal insults to a minimum. Just
because we disagree doesn't<BR>>> mean either one of us is
evil.....<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>
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