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<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman">"Beck refers to all liberals as
communists.'</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>That is simply not true. At the Media Matters site where they attempt to
promote that notion, the clip they us to try and back up the absurd claim
contains no such remark. Prove me wrong with a cite.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman">"Roger makes connections between liberals and
communists regularly."</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>These connections exist as you yourself recently admitted.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman">"Young had several similar posts on his
Facebook page when he ran for state senate."</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman"></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>Young did not claim that all liberals are nazis or anything else. (unless
it's misguided in which case I tend to agree) Once again you are making things
up.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman">"And you criticize all my posts. You make it
seem like there is something special here but your claims are always the
same."</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Actaully I am critical of some of your posts. Life is just to
short to engage you every time you make a remark with which I find foolish. This
is connected to someone calling all liberals nazis in what way?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman">"Do liberals contribute to the negative
climate? Of course."</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Glad to hear you finally agree. Progress is being made.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman">"A poster picking out a target who was
actually shot is something different."</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>If you have no proof of any sort that the shooter layed eyes
on it, and it's a commonly accepted practice on both sides of the
political divide, what other than happenstance makes it so
different?</DIV>
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<A title=philosopher.joe@gmail.com href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com">Joe
Campbell</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=lockshop@pull.twcbc.com
href="mailto:lockshop@pull.twcbc.com">the lockshop</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=jampot@roadrunner.com
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">Gary Crabtree</A> ; <A
title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com>"><vision2020@moscow.com></A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, January 13, 2011 12:51
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] A Resolution
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<DIV>Beck refers to all liberals as communists. </DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Roger makes connections between liberals and communists
regularly. </DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Young had several similar posts on his Facebook page when he ran for
state senate.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>And you criticize all my posts. You make it seem like there is something
special here but your claims are always the same.</DIV>
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<DIV>Do liberals contribute to the negative climate? Of course. It is silly to
think that just because I don't say it I don't think it.</DIV>
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<DIV>A poster picking out a target who was actually shot is something
different.</DIV>
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<DIV><BR>On Jan 13, 2011, at 11:56 AM, "the lockshop" <<A
href="mailto:lockshop@pull.twcbc.com">lockshop@pull.twcbc.com</A>>
wrote:<BR><BR></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>As non sequiturs go, a little more out of
left field then usual but what the heck, I'll play along. Who on the right
regularly refers to ALL liberals as nazis and what does it have to do with
using unfortunate current events to tar those with whom you
disagree?</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=philosopher.joe@gmail.com
href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com">Joe Campbell</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=jampot@roadrunner.com
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">Gary Crabtree</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=lockshop@pull.twcbc.com
href="mailto:lockshop@pull.twcbc.com">the lockshop</A> ; <A
title=vision2020@moscow.com href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com>"><<A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A>></A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, January 13, 2011 9:51
AM</DIV>
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Resolution for the 112th Congress (after the Tucson Tragedy)</DIV>
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<DIV>There just are no examples of candidates or media figures who
regularly refer to ALL conservatives as Nazis. There are plenty of
analogous examples from the right.<BR><BR><BR></DIV>
<DIV><BR>On Jan 13, 2011, at 6:04 AM, "Gary Crabtree" <<A
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com"><A
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">jampot@roadrunner.com</A></A>>
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<DIV><FONT face=Calibri color=#000000>I would have a sliver of respect
for your point if you included so much as a <BR>single example of
rhetoric that was not from the the right. To endlessly<BR>drone
that</FONT> "it's just as extreme to say that the volatile political
<BR>rhetoric of the radical right and the climate it created, and the
Palin poster <BR>in particular, had nothing to do with the shooting."
<FONT face=Calibri color=#000000>and never once include<BR>one of
the multitude of examples that are just as prevalent on the
left.<BR>You are clearly trying to paint the maniac as, at least
partially, a product <BR>of the right and I'm having none of it so stop.
Really, just stop.</FONT></DIV>
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color=#000000><BR><BR></FONT>--------------------------------------------------<BR>From:
"Joe Campbell" <<A href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com"><A
href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com">philosopher.joe@gmail.com</A></A>><BR>Sent:
Wednesday, January 12, 2011 8:56 PM<BR>To: "Gary Crabtree" <<A
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com"><A
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">jampot@roadrunner.com</A></A>><BR>Cc:
"the lockshop" <<A href="mailto:lockshop@pull.twcbc.com"><A
href="mailto:lockshop@pull.twcbc.com">lockshop@pull.twcbc.com</A></A>>;
<<A href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A></A>><BR>Subject:
Re: [Vision2020] A Resolution for the 112th Congress (after the Tucson
Tragedy)<BR><BR>> What exactly is the moon beam claim? That a
"nothing" claim is<BR>> extreme? And please stop with the "wishful
thinking" claim, which is<BR>> just repeating the insulting comment
that Tom posted from Rush, that<BR>> Democrats wanted this to happen.
Have you no decency? Really just<BR>> stop.<BR>> <BR>> I'll
repeat what I said, again, so it doesn't get lost in your<BR>>
continued attempts to distort my words: It is extreme to say Palin
did<BR>> it and just as extreme to say that the climate created by
the rhetoric<BR>> of the radical right had nothing to do with the
shooting. The truth<BR>> lies somewhere in between. Where? I don't
know. I don't need evidence<BR>> that he saw the map to support this
claim, just to support the extreme<BR>> position you keep trying to
put in my mouth (which I do not hold).<BR>> <BR>> On Wed, Jan 12,
2011 at 8:44 PM, Gary Crabtree <<A
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com"><A
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">jampot@roadrunner.com</A></A>>
wrote:<BR>>> " I think it is just as extreme to say that the
volatile political rhetoric<BR>>> of the<BR>>> radical right
and the climate it created, and the Palin poster in<BR>>>
particular,<BR>>> had nothing to do with the shooting.
"<BR>>><BR>>> I might be willing to accept this if there was
even a shred of evidence<BR>>> that the psychopath had seen the
map or paid any attention to right<BR>>> wing commentary. So far,
the indications are that he didn't and your<BR>>> claims appear to
be made up of moon beams, fairy dust, and a heaping<BR>>> shovel
full of wishful thinking<BR>>><BR>>>
g<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>
--------------------------------------------------<BR>>> From:
"Joe Campbell" <<A href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com"><A
href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com">philosopher.joe@gmail.com</A></A>><BR>>>
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 8:28 PM<BR>>> To: "the lockshop"
<<A href="mailto:lockshop@pull.twcbc.com"><A
href="mailto:lockshop@pull.twcbc.com">lockshop@pull.twcbc.com</A></A>><BR>>>
Cc: <<A href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A></A>><BR>>>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] A Resolution for the 112th Congress (after
the<BR>>> Tucson Tragedy)<BR>>><BR>>>> What is the
uber left? What policies do they hold? What are they<BR>>>>
saying about Palin that is so egregious? Be specific. Use
quotes.<BR>>>><BR>>>> I know that I've made some
claims about Palin and the shooter, but<BR>>>> most of my
claims were distorted by you and by Roger. I never
blamed<BR>>>> Palin, for instance. I certainly never claimed
that she was<BR>>>> responsible in any way. It would be an
extreme claim to say that she<BR>>>> was an accessory, which I
don't believe and never said. But I think it<BR>>>> is just as
extreme to say that the volatile political rhetoric of
the<BR>>>> radical right and the climate it created, and the
Palin poster in<BR>>>> particular, had nothing to do with the
shooting. In between the<BR>>>> extreme all and nothing claims
are a variety of more plausible views<BR>>>> and I haven't said
which of those I accept because I really don't know<BR>>>> what
to say about it.<BR>>>><BR>>>> You say "Stop trying to
tarnish your ideological 'enemies' with<BR>>>> reasons for a
event that just are not there." But this is such a joke<BR>>>>
it is not funny. I'm merely asking that Palin and others stop using
a<BR>>>> "bullseye" to target their political enemies, that the
right stop<BR>>>> referring to everyone on the left as a
communist, that they stop the<BR>>>> distortion and the
over-the-top rhetoric. That we realize, as one V<BR>>>> post
put it, we are hovering around the same spot on the
political<BR>>>> compass. Again, there is nothing radical about
any of this and it is<BR>>>> precisely the very same request
that you're making. So I find that<BR>>>>
ironic!<BR>>>><BR>>>> Add to this that if I had
political motives, what I'd do is keep my<BR>>>> mouth shut wrt
criticisms of Palin. What I'd try to do is get her to<BR>>>>
win the Republican nomination since she is one of handful of
people<BR>>>> that Obama has a chance of beating. She is simply
not electable. I<BR>>>> hope she does win the Republican
nomination for that very reason (but<BR>>>> she won't). So if I
were playing political gamesmanship I'd keep quiet<BR>>>> about
her. I wouldn't criticize her. It makes no sense to
criticize<BR>>>> her if you're a Democrat and your only concern
is to get Democrats<BR>>>> elected. She is the best thing for
the party in years. But I'm out of<BR>>>> politics and have
more broad social concerns, like the well being of<BR>>>> our
country. I'm using this as an opportunity to try to get
the<BR>>>> over-the-top rhetoric to
stop.<BR>>>><BR>>>> Lastly, wrt to your claims about
"surveyor symbols" that is just plain<BR>>>> stupid. I'm not
saying you are stupid since I don't think for a minute<BR>>>>
that you believe that story. So the fact that I don't believe it
can't<BR>>>> be a slight against me. No one believes that
story, and we're not all<BR>>>> members of the uber left. Even
the folks telling that story don't<BR>>>> believe
it.<BR>>>><BR>>>> Here's a nice article on the
issue.<BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>> <A
href="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2011/01/gunsights_or_surveyor_symbols.html"></A><A
href="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2011/01/gunsights_or_surveyor_symbols.html"><A
href="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2011/01/gunsights_or_surveyor_symbols.html">http://voices.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2011/01/gunsights_or_surveyor_symbols.html</A></A><BR>>>><BR>>>>
At the end of this article there is a comment from Palin
herself,<BR>>>> tweeted after the election: "Remember months
ago 'bullseye' icon used<BR>>>> 2 target the 20
Obamacare-lovin' incumbent seats? We won 18 out of 20<BR>>>>
(90% success rate;T'aint bad)."<BR>>>><BR>>>> Nothing
about surveying here from the horses mouth. Try
explaining<BR>>>> this! Or better yet, try dropping this stupid
fairytale altogether. NO<BR>>>> one is buying
it.<BR>>>><BR>>>> On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 5:25 PM, the
lockshop <<A href="mailto:lockshop@pull.twcbc.com"><A
href="mailto:lockshop@pull.twcbc.com">lockshop@pull.twcbc.com</A></A>><BR>>>>
wrote:<BR>>>>> The symbol means here, this place, this
location on the map. In other<BR>>>>>
words<BR>>>>> this is a district where we would like a
Republican to be in office. Sort<BR>>>>>
of<BR>>>>> like X marks the spot. Why the uber left keeps
trying to make this<BR>>>>> tragedy<BR>>>>>
about Sarah and the right is really an unsavory mystery. The shooter
was<BR>>>>> crazy. Stop trying to tarnish your ideological
"enemies" with reasons for<BR>>>>> a<BR>>>>>
event that just are not there.<BR>>>>><BR>>>>>
g<BR>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe
Campbell"<BR>>>>> <<A
href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com"><A
href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com">philosopher.joe@gmail.com</A></A>><BR>>>>>
To: <<A href="mailto:nickgier@roadrunner.com"><A
href="mailto:nickgier@roadrunner.com">nickgier@roadrunner.com</A></A>><BR>>>>>
Cc: <<A href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A></A>><BR>>>>>
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 4:46 PM<BR>>>>> Subject:
Re: [Vision2020] A Resolution for the 112th Congress (after
the<BR>>>>> Tucson
Tragedy)<BR>>>>><BR>>>>><BR>>>>>
Another question: What possible meaning or significance could
surveyor<BR>>>>> symbols have? Why that
symbol?<BR>>>>><BR>>>>> On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at
4:26 PM, <<A href="mailto:nickgier@roadrunner.com"><A
href="mailto:nickgier@roadrunner.com">nickgier@roadrunner.com</A></A>>
wrote:<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>> A note to Roger
and Gary:<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>> When Democrats
start calling for "Second Amendment" solutions, then
I<BR>>>>>> will<BR>>>>>> consider your
losing battle to make Democrats more
violent.<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>> If Palin meant
those to be surveyor symbols, why did she accompany
the<BR>>>>>> map<BR>>>>>> with the tweet
"Don't Retreat, Reload"? Could it be that the
webmaster<BR>>>>>> couldn't find the cross-hairs symbol
that he really intended and
needed?<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>>
Nick<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>> A RESOLUTION FOR
THE 112TH CONGRESS<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>>
Whereas, the Pima County Sheriff rightly said that violent rhetoric
has<BR>>>>>>
consequences;<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>> Whereas,
abortion clinic doctors were marked with cross-hairs and
“four<BR>>>>>> doctors, two clinic employees, a security
guard, and a clinic escort<BR>>>>>>
were<BR>>>>>>
killed”;<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>> Whereas, GOP
Senate candidate Sharon Angle and Tea Party
leaders<BR>>>>>> declared<BR>>>>>> that a
“Second Amendment” solution may be necessary for the
Obama<BR>>>>>>
administration;<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>> Whereas,
in November of 2009 a person brought a handgun to one of
now<BR>>>>>> critically wounded Rep. Gabriel Giffords’
community gatherings;<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>>
Whereas, GOP Vice-Presidential candidate Sarah Palin targeted
22<BR>>>>>> Democratic seats with a symbol that Giffords,
a gun owner, took as<BR>>>>>> cross-hairs (the map was
followed by a tweet that said “Don’t Retreat,<BR>>>>>>
Reload”);<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>> Whereas,
Gifford’s opponent Jesse Kelley asked supporters to "shoot
a<BR>>>>>> fully automatic M16" to "get on target" and
help "remove Gabrielle<BR>>>>>>
Giffords";<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>> Whereas, on
Fox Business News Sarah Palin offered praise for Kelly:
"I<BR>>>>>> don't feel worthy to lace his combat
boots";<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>> Whereas, on
January 12, 2011 four GOP leaders in Arizona, criticized
as<BR>>>>>> McCain supporters, resigned after violent
threats from Tea Party<BR>>>>>>
activists;<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>> Whereas,
Giffords’ office was vandalized right after she voted for
the<BR>>>>>> Affordable Health Care
Act;<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>> Whereas, the U.S.
lags other industrialized countries in mental
health<BR>>>>>> services, and Arizona ranks second to
last in the U.S.;<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>>
Whereas, repeal of the Affordable Health Care Act has no chance
of<BR>>>>>> passing<BR>>>>>>
Congress;<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>> Whereas,
Americans, sometime by polls of 2-1, support major aspects
of<BR>>>>>> the<BR>>>>>> Affordable Health
Care Act;<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>> Therefore Be
it Resolved that the repeal of the Affordable Health
Care<BR>>>>>> Act<BR>>>>>> be
withdrawn;<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>> Be It Further
Resolved that more funds be provided for mental
health<BR>>>>>>
treatment;<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>> And May It
Further Resolved that all Americans stop demonizing
their<BR>>>>>> political and religious opponents and
refrain from using violent<BR>>>>>>
rhetoric<BR>>>>>> about
them.<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>> And Finally May It
Be Resolved that on the eve of the MLK Holiday
all<BR>>>>>> Americans attempt to embrace the ethics of
non-violence that Martin<BR>>>>>>
Luther<BR>>>>>> King drew from Mahatma Gandhi and his own
Christian faith.<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>>
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