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<DIV>" I think it is just as extreme to say that the volatile political rhetoric
of the<BR>radical right and the climate it created, and the Palin poster in
particular,<BR> had nothing to do with the shooting. "</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#000000 face=Calibri>I might be willing to accept this if there
was even a shred of evidence </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 face=Calibri>that the psychopath had seen the map or
paid any attention to right</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 face=Calibri>wing commentary. So far, the indications
are that he didn't and your</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 face=Calibri>claims appear to be made up of
moon beams, fairy dust, and a heaping</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 face=Calibri>shovel full of wishful
thinking</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 face=Calibri></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 face=Calibri>g</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><BR><BR><BR><BR>--------------------------------------------------<BR>From:
"Joe Campbell" <philosopher.joe@gmail.com><BR>Sent: Wednesday, January 12,
2011 8:28 PM<BR>To: "the lockshop" <lockshop@pull.twcbc.com><BR>Cc:
<vision2020@moscow.com><BR>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] A Resolution for the
112th Congress (after the Tucson Tragedy)<BR><BR>> What is the uber left?
What policies do they hold? What are they<BR>> saying about Palin that is so
egregious? Be specific. Use quotes.<BR>> <BR>> I know that I've made some
claims about Palin and the shooter, but<BR>> most of my claims were distorted
by you and by Roger. I never blamed<BR>> Palin, for instance. I certainly
never claimed that she was<BR>> responsible in any way. It would be an
extreme claim to say that she<BR>> was an accessory, which I don't believe
and never said. But I think it<BR>> is just as extreme to say that the
volatile political rhetoric of the<BR>> radical right and the climate it
created, and the Palin poster in<BR>> particular, had nothing to do with the
shooting. In between the<BR>> extreme all and nothing claims are a variety of
more plausible views<BR>> and I haven't said which of those I accept because
I really don't know<BR>> what to say about it.<BR>> <BR>> You say "Stop
trying to tarnish your ideological 'enemies' with<BR>> reasons for a event
that just are not there." But this is such a joke<BR>> it is not funny. I'm
merely asking that Palin and others stop using a<BR>> "bullseye" to target
their political enemies, that the right stop<BR>> referring to everyone on
the left as a communist, that they stop the<BR>> distortion and the
over-the-top rhetoric. That we realize, as one V<BR>> post put it, we are
hovering around the same spot on the political<BR>> compass. Again, there is
nothing radical about any of this and it is<BR>> precisely the very same
request that you're making. So I find that<BR>> ironic!<BR>> <BR>> Add
to this that if I had political motives, what I'd do is keep my<BR>> mouth
shut wrt criticisms of Palin. What I'd try to do is get her to<BR>> win the
Republican nomination since she is one of handful of people<BR>> that Obama
has a chance of beating. She is simply not electable. I<BR>> hope she does
win the Republican nomination for that very reason (but<BR>> she won't). So
if I were playing political gamesmanship I'd keep quiet<BR>> about her. I
wouldn't criticize her. It makes no sense to criticize<BR>> her if you're a
Democrat and your only concern is to get Democrats<BR>> elected. She is the
best thing for the party in years. But I'm out of<BR>> politics and have more
broad social concerns, like the well being of<BR>> our country. I'm using
this as an opportunity to try to get the<BR>> over-the-top rhetoric to
stop.<BR>> <BR>> Lastly, wrt to your claims about "surveyor symbols" that
is just plain<BR>> stupid. I'm not saying you are stupid since I don't think
for a minute<BR>> that you believe that story. So the fact that I don't
believe it can't<BR>> be a slight against me. No one believes that story, and
we're not all<BR>> members of the uber left. Even the folks telling that
story don't<BR>> believe it.<BR>> <BR>> Here's a nice article on the
issue.<BR>> <BR>>
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2011/01/gunsights_or_surveyor_symbols.html<BR>>
<BR>> At the end of this article there is a comment from Palin
herself,<BR>> tweeted after the election: "Remember months ago 'bullseye'
icon used<BR>> 2 target the 20 Obamacare-lovin' incumbent seats? We won 18
out of 20<BR>> (90% success rate;T'aint bad)."<BR>> <BR>> Nothing about
surveying here from the horses mouth. Try explaining<BR>> this! Or better
yet, try dropping this stupid fairytale altogether. NO<BR>> one is buying
it.<BR>> <BR>> On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 5:25 PM, the lockshop
<lockshop@pull.twcbc.com> wrote:<BR>>> The symbol means here, this
place, this location on the map. In other words<BR>>> this is a district
where we would like a Republican to be in office. Sort of<BR>>> like X
marks the spot. Why the uber left keeps trying to make this tragedy<BR>>>
about Sarah and the right is really an unsavory mystery. The shooter
was<BR>>> crazy. Stop trying to tarnish your ideological "enemies" with
reasons for a<BR>>> event that just are not there.<BR>>><BR>>>
g<BR>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Campbell"<BR>>>
<philosopher.joe@gmail.com><BR>>> To:
<nickgier@roadrunner.com><BR>>> Cc:
<vision2020@moscow.com><BR>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 4:46
PM<BR>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] A Resolution for the 112th Congress
(after the<BR>>> Tucson Tragedy)<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>
Another question: What possible meaning or significance could
surveyor<BR>>> symbols have? Why that symbol?<BR>>><BR>>> On
Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 4:26 PM, <nickgier@roadrunner.com>
wrote:<BR>>>><BR>>>> A note to Roger and
Gary:<BR>>>><BR>>>> When Democrats start calling for "Second
Amendment" solutions, then I will<BR>>>> consider your losing battle to
make Democrats more violent.<BR>>>><BR>>>> If Palin meant
those to be surveyor symbols, why did she accompany the map<BR>>>> with
the tweet "Don't Retreat, Reload"? Could it be that the
webmaster<BR>>>> couldn't find the cross-hairs symbol that he really
intended and needed?<BR>>>><BR>>>>
Nick<BR>>>><BR>>>> A RESOLUTION FOR THE 112TH
CONGRESS<BR>>>><BR>>>> Whereas, the Pima County Sheriff
rightly said that violent rhetoric has<BR>>>>
consequences;<BR>>>><BR>>>> Whereas, abortion clinic doctors
were marked with cross-hairs and “four<BR>>>> doctors, two clinic
employees, a security guard, and a clinic escort were<BR>>>>
killed”;<BR>>>><BR>>>> Whereas, GOP Senate candidate Sharon
Angle and Tea Party leaders declared<BR>>>> that a “Second Amendment”
solution may be necessary for the Obama<BR>>>>
administration;<BR>>>><BR>>>> Whereas, in November of 2009 a
person brought a handgun to one of now<BR>>>> critically wounded Rep.
Gabriel Giffords’ community gatherings;<BR>>>><BR>>>> Whereas,
GOP Vice-Presidential candidate Sarah Palin targeted 22<BR>>>>
Democratic seats with a symbol that Giffords, a gun owner, took
as<BR>>>> cross-hairs (the map was followed by a tweet that said “Don’t
Retreat,<BR>>>> Reload”);<BR>>>><BR>>>> Whereas,
Gifford’s opponent Jesse Kelley asked supporters to "shoot a<BR>>>>
fully automatic M16" to "get on target" and help "remove
Gabrielle<BR>>>> Giffords";<BR>>>><BR>>>> Whereas, on
Fox Business News Sarah Palin offered praise for Kelly: "I<BR>>>> don't
feel worthy to lace his combat boots";<BR>>>><BR>>>> Whereas,
on January 12, 2011 four GOP leaders in Arizona, criticized as<BR>>>>
McCain supporters, resigned after violent threats from Tea Party
activists;<BR>>>><BR>>>> Whereas, Giffords’ office was
vandalized right after she voted for the<BR>>>> Affordable Health Care
Act;<BR>>>><BR>>>> Whereas, the U.S. lags other industrialized
countries in mental health<BR>>>> services, and Arizona ranks second to
last in the U.S.;<BR>>>><BR>>>> Whereas, repeal of the
Affordable Health Care Act has no chance of passing<BR>>>>
Congress;<BR>>>><BR>>>> Whereas, Americans, sometime by polls
of 2-1, support major aspects of the<BR>>>> Affordable Health Care
Act;<BR>>>><BR>>>> Therefore Be it Resolved that the repeal of
the Affordable Health Care Act<BR>>>> be
withdrawn;<BR>>>><BR>>>> Be It Further Resolved that more
funds be provided for mental health<BR>>>>
treatment;<BR>>>><BR>>>> And May It Further Resolved that all
Americans stop demonizing their<BR>>>> political and religious
opponents and refrain from using violent rhetoric<BR>>>> about
them.<BR>>>><BR>>>> And Finally May It Be Resolved that on the
eve of the MLK Holiday all<BR>>>> Americans attempt to embrace the
ethics of non-violence that Martin Luther<BR>>>> King drew from Mahatma
Gandhi and his own Christian faith.<BR>>>><BR>>>>
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